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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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Brake upgrade, need comments i can relate to.

I have seriously diminished power now that I've got the 20 moto metals and 36 in IROKS. My goal is to, at a minimum, return to "stock" performance. From all the research I've gathered, doing the standard pad upgrade won't do it. Pads and some nice rotors people seem to agree show improvement, but I've never seen people mention improvements in terms I can relate to. So...If you've got a lift and the upsized tires and you've done pads/rotors, has the braking power returned to how it felt when you were stock or no, can you comment on the relationship of now vs stock? And what's your set up with the rotors (brand).

I am also Very interested with the BAER ERADISPEED +1 but can't find anyone who knows about or has this set up to comment on the performance. For only SLIGHTLY more than the Baer OE rotors (and me doubting I'll get the performance I want) i was thinking this may give me what I'm looking for.

Only other thing I'm looking at, but have heard no comments on is a SSBC caliper upgrade with new rotors (probably baer). Which will be right at what i want to spend of about a grand.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 09:07 PM
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I hate bumping......but no one has ssbc calipers or the Baer +1 system?? I'm trying to order something by the weeks end....as I'm doing a 1500 mile road trip from colorado to cali straight through the mountains with my beloved bike in the bed and my stang on a trailer on the 25th .......

 
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 09:30 PM
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going from 33's to 35's (no larger wheel, just tire) i felt ridiculously diminished stopping power. of course im in a different truck platform but the relative differences are all there

i added my powerslot & hawk rotors to the front of my truck (braking is biased frontwards anyways and my rears were pretty new [15k or so because the dealer bought me new brakes when i got my truck]) and i stopped better than stock

of course, good rotors and pads on all four corners will get you close to, or better than stock. i cant guarantee a claim on how much but youll feel much more assured when you reach for the NO-GO pedal
 
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Old Aug 10, 2006 | 12:09 AM
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You need to go with larger rotors AND calipers!
 
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Old Aug 10, 2006 | 01:04 AM
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I have been through many brakepad compounds (carbon kevlar, ceramics, etc). It's all felt similar power. Definitely go with a drilled and slotted rotor and see how you feel. Make sure the holes are chamfered to prevent cracking, etc. Good luck, there is only one guy I know who has upgraded his brake calipers and that was the guy with the Road Armor front and rear bumpers, lifted on 40" Toyo Mt's, I believe. The more weight in your tire/wheel combo the worse it's going to be. I can definitely relate with my 37" Mud Grapplers.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2006 | 02:18 AM
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Drilled and slotted rotors will not help you one bit....all they will do is wear out your pads faster. Your familiar with Mustangs so I am sure you know that the only purpose for the holes is to dissipate heat during severe braking conditions (racing for example), and the only reasons for the slots is to shave off any glazing (and thus shaving off a thin slice of pad) that has occurred because of the severe heat. Standard braking will not generate enough heat to see any benefit from the drilled and slotted rotors. They will look good but thats it. Why do you think they come standard on the Z06 but you can't get them on any pickup? Dont throw your money away on a fancy set of rotors because you will disappointed if you think they will help you stop shorter.
To increase stopping power with factory brakes you have to improve the pads. I am not sure if Hawk makes pads for our trucks or not, but I would start there. But the only sure fire way to increase stopping power is to increase the size of the brakes...period.

On a side note...if your really worried about your braking in the mountains why not put your stock tires and rims back on for the trip??? I know it wouldnt look near as good but it would have to make it easier to tow the trailer up and down the mountains.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2006 | 02:20 AM
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see, i'm really hoping to see some comments about the baer eradispeed +1...baer usually isn't in the business of show and no go....

I didn't post one but here's the link to the cheapest I've found for the kit....The question that gets me is...the kit increases rotor size to 15in and retains the stock rotor....Any opinoins or first hand experince on wether or not this kit will increase my braking ability?!?

http://www.supertruckusa.com/products/71771_135.htm
 
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Old Aug 10, 2006 | 02:24 AM
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But the only sure fire way to increase stopping power is to increase the size of the brakes...period.

On a side note...if your really worried about your braking in the mountains why not put your stock tires and rims back on for the trip??? I know it wouldnt look near as good but it would have to make it easier to tow the trailer up and down the mountains.

4wheelparts...who i bought through and had installed said that stock wheel is a no go with my 6in pro comp coil overs. I asked cuz the lift was done b4 the new wheels tires came in and they said they wouldn't put the stockers on so i could use for a couple days.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2006 | 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hotstang46
4wheelparts...who i bought through and had installed said that stock wheel is a no go with my 6in pro comp coil overs. I asked cuz the lift was done b4 the new wheels tires came in and they said they wouldn't put the stockers on so i could use for a couple days.
Sounds like a good enough reason to me!
 
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Old Aug 10, 2006 | 02:41 AM
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I am wrong about drilled and slotted rotors improving performance, I thought heat dissipation would in turn equate to better performance but as mentioned before that is a myth.

A different compound should help but they will not bring you even miles near stock as you'd hoped. A larger pad and rotor might, but ours are pretty large as is so I'm not sure what kind of gains can be expected.

4wheelparts...who i bought through and had installed said that stock wheel is a no go with my 6in pro comp coil overs. I asked cuz the lift was done b4 the new wheels tires came in and they said they wouldn't put the stockers on so i could use for a couple days.
Does Procomp increase the track width? I am able to use my stockers just fine with my Fabtech + Coilovers.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2006 | 03:09 AM
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Does Procomp increase the track width?
to be honest, i don't know...but someone here should.....however i would think it must as that would be the logical reason from a newbie standpoint of why 4wheel parts said no to the stockers.
 
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