Last Fall, I installed aftermarket power windows on my 05 XL. They worked OK, but I wanted the speed and lesser noise of the OEM windows. I put the new regulators in this evening. WOW, what a difference!

Now I want to add the express down modules, but must be searching for them by the wrong name. Anyone know how I should dscribe them when I search eBay?

 

I just finished studying the wiring diagrams for your truck. I don't see that a regular cab even offers the one touch down feature. The super cab and crew cab trucks have the one touch down relay integrated into the master window switch. I will actually have to look at a regular cab truck to see for sure.

 

Do a search on ebay for
530t

tons of them up there. This is a single module that allows both windows to express up/down. It also adds the feature of allowing you to roll your windows up or down (not both) with a keyless or alarm. Or with a simple contact switch.


If you wanted to save the 35-55 bucks, go to a pick-a-part and get Ford modules from a Sable/Taurus. Or lots of other models, but here you need four of them, or one for each direction each window.
The Viper 530T is easier.
Chris

 

Good luck with this.

I was heck bent on doing it but the one thing I didn't like from what I've read about the 530T is you won't get the "double click" feeling you get with the stock one-touch down window.

Do you know what I'm talking about?

I mean you push the button down a bit and it goes down like a regular window, but if you push past a certain stage it will go in automatic down and you'll feel the click (helps you know you were successful). In cars with auto up, you can feel this click too.

To my knowledge the 530T wouldn't give you this feeling.

I would think you'd have to replace the switches with those from a Ford modle that had auto up and down windows so you could get that click feeling of "ok, now it's in auto down/up". If you figure this one out, let me know because that's what I'm waiting on.

Duke

 

My reg. cab XLT has it.

 

Duke, I don't think any Ford offers windows with up and down. They only offer express down on the driver’s window.

That switch has a physical two stage feel.


This is not needed.
On express down modules, the 530T or the ones Ford (and everybody else) installed in a LOT of vehicles prior to the latest two stage switch, you do not need/use tactile sensation. If you flip the switch for 1/10 of a second it goes on to run up or down. If you hold the switch down the express is cut out of the system and the window behaves like a conventional power window.

Using express up and down at the same time does create a weird situation where if you 'flash' the window switch down, then realize you only wanted it to go down a short travel and you flash it back up. It reverses and goes all the way up.
The trick is, if you started it traveling one direction and you change your mind and want it to stop, you just push the button going the same direction. Then it stops.

Of course if you just hook up express down only that doesn't come up.

The very first time you use one express both ways it can be pretty funny. You tend to forget how it works and may find yourself 'chasing' the window'. After a few tries you figure it out. Then the problem comes when you are in a car/truck without express and you keep expecting the windows to complete the trip without you holding your finger on the darn button.
Chris

OOPs, editing to add, the factory switches are not indivdual switches. The drivers switch is a big block module. I have one here on the desk. Nowhere on an STX or XL to mount it, unless you spring for XLT up door panels and go the whole route.

 

Chris-
Will the 530T unit work with the "trunk release" button on a remote starter? I'd like the ability to hit the unused truck release button on my remote and have the windows roll down.
If so, how difficult is the install? It seems like it should be fairly easy since all the wires to be spliced should be coming from the drivers side door. Did you just place the module under the dash on the drivers side?
Thanks
CJ

 

Hmm, I'll keep my eyes open for 530T's on ebay and probably do this over the summer then. Can't be that hard and I seem to remember we had a thread going awhile ago on how to install the 530T, now I'll just need to figure out how to get that connected with my Viper 791XV.

Thanks again Chris for the endless help you have and do continue to provide!

Duke

 

Thanks for the kind words, Duke. Hope you get it setup the way you want.


Hi Eastrick, there are many different types of window control modules. The simple aftermarket ones just send the windows one direction if you send a ground signal to the module.
That is the most basic. Simple terms, after you splice it in, touch one wire to ground and the windows drop.
Most alarms, aftermarket keyless, Powercode, Code alarm systems, etc. have a wire that can send a ground pulse when you trigger the remote.
The idea is that when you lock up the truck the windows run up. This can be reversed, when you open the truck the windows drop. Some have 'vent' which when the interior of the truck gets hot the windows drop an inch or so to allow air in.
These tend to sell for about 12-20 bucks.
2 windows one direction.

Some of the slightly more complicated ones will run the windows up and down with different signals. Example, you could put a tiny switch on your dash that if you touched it the windows cascade down. Touch another switch and they cascade up. Or lock your truck with remote and windows raise. Or lower when you unlock it. Or both.
These tend to cost 20-35 bucks.
2 windows, two directions.

The next level up is the 530T. Has the abilities of the previous one, but also will become a master window control. That means each of your window switches becomes express up and express down.
A typical installation would give you express up/down and roll the windows up when you hit the lock remote. You could also add a switch to manually drop the windows or conversely, raise the windows by touching a small, even hidden, switch.
If you live somewhere that allows you to have windows down a lot, this could be handy.
Otherwise it is just nice as a master window controller, thus giving you express both ways on two windows.
These tend to cost 40-60 bucks.
One module controls two windows.

Finally the poor mans solution. Fords stock window control module. You can buy these at dealerships about 40-50 bucks per module. They work on one window, one way. You can get them on eBay for usually about 10-15 bucks, used.
Or you can go to a pick-a-part and yank them yourself in about five minutes each for whatever they charge. I have pulled about twenty of them for myself and others; average price was about 1.50 each.
You would need four of these for two windows.
These do NOT have a way of remote controlling them, without some wiring/electronics.
So really only useful if you just want express.
All of these systems are fairly easy to install. You will have to cut some wires, add power and ground and may need a minimal knowledge of how a relay works.
If you can put in power door locks, or power windows, or an alarm/keyless this is all a snap. If a stereo install is 'scary' I wouldn't do it.

Best Buy, etc. will install the Viper 530T for a 'nominal' price if you are comfortable with a non-English speaking kid cutting into your truck...
Chris

 

Thanks, that is very good information. I was looking at the 530T on ebay. For $50, it sounds like a very worthwhile upgrade. I never uderstodd why we can have auto down and not auto up.

I have installed my share of stereos, amps, and done enough rewiring work that I should be able to hand this. The hardest thing will probably be making sure I have the correct wires in the trucks harness. I assume all the connections can be made under the drivers side of the dash and spliced to wires coming form the driver's door?

CJ

 

You can actually install the whole thing inside the driver’s door. All the wires are right there. That is for express control. The only wire that you would have to route back to the interior is the wire to trigger a remote signal. And even that you could probably tap off your door locks.
The modules are not very big.
Express up could be slightly dangerous thus is seldom offered stock on domestic vehicles.

Imagine the key is on; a toddler is standing on the switches. The window express raises itself and catches his neck. Or express down, he is standing on armrest and steps on the switch, he falls out the open window and hurts himself on the pavement. In the rest of the world that is not a real issue. Here it is.

My switches are in the center, not even possible to do that.
There is a safety switch built into all controllers that stop if the resistance to the motor goes up sharply. This is to tell it to stop raising/lowering if the end is reached. It is also a safety.
The youngest person in my truck is my wife, the windows don't close with enough force to hurt anyone above a toddler (if even a toddler), it is hooked to the key, and thus I feel it is not a real threat.
Some may disagree, thus Ford won't put them in domestic cars.
Some companies do it by making the switch 'lift to raise' but that is not gonna stop a five year old from closing the window on a two year old, if you see what I mean.
Really not a big danger, but that is why they are not stock.
Chris

 

Chris, any chance you have one of the old OEM modules laying around where you could offer the part number from it?

 

Chris - I've been wanting to have the express up/down in my F-150 for some time now too and will be looking at the 530t....not to start an argument here.....but, my '05 Mustang (Preimum GT) has factory express up/down windows. Ford makes the switches different so you can't accidentially close them (you have to hook a finger underneath and pull up to close the window) and the window will stop raising if it encounters resistance. I really like this feature in the Mustang and can't understand why a much more expensive truck didn't come with it......now here's a question for you....can we just get the stock Ford module for the '05 Mustang express up/down and splice that in? Is everything controlled via the module?

thx - Brad

 

HotLap, yes of course you are right, some US branded cars are coming with express up as an option. They had to because Volvo etc. have optioned them for years. But it is a still a new, very rare option. I wandered around a large CarMax store the other day (helping someone someone looking for a sedan) and only found two cars on the five acres with the feature.





F2DB-14B118-AB is the OEM number for the express module that Ford used for a number of years in a LOT of models. This little module, when properly connected, will add express function to one window, one direction. Also works on Sunroof motors, seat motors and other electric motors. I've played around with them, installed them in other things. Anything that cheap that does something cool is worth playing with \

They are OEM robust. I have seen one bad one in 22 total, and I fixed it. Had a loose capacitor. Soldered it back together and it now express opens a sunroof in a Chevy.

Of course they are not that cheap if you pay someone else to drive down to pick a part and pull them. Labor is high. I got most of mine in an afternoon, wandering around a wrecking yard with a screwdriver and wire cutters.

For VERY detailed directions search Google with that number.

To see an old but good article on installing just one as a passenger express down go to;
http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4expressdown.html


In our trucks, above the lighter, below the radio is a huge hunk of deadspace behind the climate control. Ten modules would fit in there. Or you can put them inside the driver’s door if you have both switches in that door. They go in the master or drivers wiring even for three switch systems.

Again, the 530T is an easier simpler method with a lot less wiring. The OEM ones only make sense if you 'salvage' the modules yourself as the 530T replaces four modules.
Chris

edited because my spelling stinks.

 

Oops, I didn't address your other question. Sorry. I do not know. My broad spectrum service manuals stop at 2003, and for 2004 I only cover F150. I have never had a reason to work on the newer Ford. I suspect the switch will contain the controls just like the 2004 up F150 switches contain everything.

This is now done with VERY few components. The newer the stock modules get, the less stuff inside them. Early 90's had several dozen components. The early 20's ones look exactly the same, but contain very little inside.
All the electronics get more integrated with each passing model.
So unless you think the pod switch itself would interchange, that is a dead end.
Still, a 530T does it all for a lot less. Viper builds/markets them, they make pretty good electronics.
Chris