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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 11:14 AM
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I would stay away from a centrif type unit all together on a truck. For a car that revs up to 6-7K and sees alot of 1/4 mi. action that is one thing but the centrif won't see full boost until probably 5K which will do you no good on the street.

The cast rods and hyperuratic pistons will take more than most people give them credit for. I have seen stock shortblock GT's run up to 450hp for years without failure. I have also seen alot of Mach's running 8PSI and over 450hp without failing, and the Mach is a 10:1 compression motor. If you have a safe tune a ford motor will last a good while before giving out.

I agree with everyone else here in that just because you can get the blower for 2800, you will not get your truck running for that much. You will need a new fuel pump, injectors, dyno tune, a boost gauge, fuel pressure gauge, install, the list goes on. Depending on what type of vehicle you have you can add another 1500-3000 to the price of the kit to get it running.

An alternative here would be to search e-bay, SVT sites, and places like that for someone selling the stock L or Harley Blower. You could probably get everythign you need except the tune for under 3500.00. This setup would also be instant streetable power, in the powerband that you use most for driving around. I can't remember the price exactly but to put the 03/04 Cobra blower onto my Mach 1 it was going to cost about 4K.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 01TruBluGT

An alternative here would be to search e-bay, SVT sites, and places like that for someone selling the stock L or Harley Blower. You could probably get everythign you need except the tune for under 3500.00. This setup would also be instant streetable power, in the powerband that you use most for driving around. I can't remember the price exactly but to put the 03/04 Cobra blower onto my Mach 1 it was going to cost about 4K.
Do you know of someone making a manifold to convert the 2v lower intake to our 3v heads? I've got a ported Eaton off my Cobra I'd love to throw on the truck
 
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JerryK
Do you know of someone making a manifold to convert the 2v lower intake to our 3v heads? I've got a ported Eaton off my Cobra I'd love to throw on the truck

Damn I forgot about the 3v swap....I know they make adapter plates to put the 2V 4.6 intake onto the 2V 5.4 for guys stuffing thoes into stangs. I am not sure about the port design but I would have to imagine a machine shop could do it.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JerryK
Hellbound, great post, you obviously suffered a lot and I applaud you for taking the time to give extensive honest feedback!

If these engines can take 6psi, thats great. For 3/10 and 3mph in the 1/8th I wouldn't go to the trouble, as you concluded as well. You say you felt the fuel pump give up at 3800rpm.. how many more extreme (lean) heat cycles like that do you think those fragile pistons will tolerate before letting go of a brittle ringland? Point is, we're all going to go for more than 3/10 and 3mph.. or we'll encounter substandard parts or failing parts.. and those stock pistons just aren't going to tolerate the mishaps like forged pistons and rods do. Its a truck that weighs near 6000lbs (4x4 screw like mine) so its always under a big load.. my point is, if in the back of your mind your not willing to accept that a forged shortblock may become a requirement after adding a supercharger than your misleading yourself. I can tell from your post you probably already know this, its more to the kid who started this to set a realistic expectation.
See, but that is the thing. If you could get a custom, tune, this thing would easily run a second faster. It is relatively cheap to get it right. The head unit IS a good unit. It's the hardware, tuning, and complete kit that is junk. Honestly, I would have rather bought a head unit, and installed the tune, plumbing and hardware myself.

Also, yes the fuel pump is starving at 3800 rpm, but that is all taken care of in the crappy tune. They pull GOBS of timing at WOT that it never runs lean. The 39lb injectors are pumping tons of fuel in there just for that reason. The truck is running so rich all the time that it is never in a good air/fuel ratio range. With a proper tune just as it sits now I could easily see 30+ more HP. My point is that you CAN get it right, but you have to know what you are doing to get it there. Trial and error is the key.

A correctly set-up Powerdyne unit is just as good as the rest IMO, IF you can get it right. But, that includes an upgraded FMU, a tune, 9 psi pulley and intercooler. Not to mention, if you do buy a 9 psi pulley on the Powerdyne 04-up, you lose your warranty on the supercharger...period. Just an FYI.

Well, I hope you make the right choice. If you like working on them like I do, then buy one and in most cases you will make it run better and more powerful for cheaper than the competitors. If you dont, then the Powerdyne is not for you.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:36 AM
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If that is really where you are at then don't get a supercharger. These trucks have cast pistons and rods and eventually you'll hammer on it long enough (heat soak, hot weather, marginal fuel system, weak injectors.. whatever) enough to rattle a piston and break a ringland or send a rod through the side of the block. Its unrealistic IMO given your situation to expect what your asking for. You gotta pay to pla, first adage in hot rodding.. there is no free lunch.. you wanna have your cake and eat it too.. add whatever saying you want. Bottom line, if you think there is an easy hotrod mod to get your say 100hp and that there is no increased risk in it your fooling yourself and your setting yourself up to get really ticked off when you have to buy a new shortblock or longblock. If your ready to pay $2800 now but can live with your decision if it costs you the shortblock then go for it, if your not, then reset your expectations. I'm not even going to get into potential hidden costs of fuel system upgrades, injectors, tuning time to get it "right" compared to what the "kit" comes with etc.. Maybe there are kits out there that are perfect from the start but please don't believe everything you read.

I just read too many limitiations in your replies to lead me to believe you have reasonable expectations going in to this. Not to mention the fact that I'd never put a centrifugal supercharger on a 5500+lb truck.. roots or twin screw only for the immediate and low-rpm torque, helps you avoid regearing the truck and trying to wind it out all the time.

Are you referring to me? Because I'm trying to see how more than 5% of what you rattled off actually applied to me.

For starters, I never said I thought THIS cheap kit would be "the solution" to a cheap supercharger fix, or ANYTHING even close. Try RE-READING and you will notice I was ASKING if it was, not stating that I thought it would be. I posted this with virtually NO idea how this kit would perform, HENCE, the post.

Although I have never owned a supercharged engine, I do have over 5 years of DAILY forum reading experience, previously on a forum filled with people willing to share information (No offence to the few here who do help, but as a whole I haven't found this site to be the best of resources for information) about superchargers, custom modifications, turbos, and the like. I also worked at a Ford dealership with certified master mechanics for 6 months. I've read, seen, and heard enough to know that there ARE supercharger setups out there that will deliver the power, without the problems. Ford wouldn't offer several stock vehicles with superchargers unless it could be done safely, PERIOD.

And finally, I'm no "kid." I'm 21, and well above my age in regards to my mental capabilities, social interaction experience, and coroporate experience. In my previous job I was making approximately the US ANNUAL average income every 3-4 MONTHS. I left my job by choice to finish my college education (not high school) so I could start my own business and make the money I know I can. I'm fully capable of comprehending any concept that "the big boys" can, but I appreciate you looking out for such a young buck.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 10:14 AM
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I had a powerdyne blower on my old v8 96 explorer. I put over 50,000 on the blower itself with not a single problem. I was very happy with it and its still running as far as i know with im guessing 70,000+ on it...... I was also somewhat over spinning it at 11lbs of boost...back backed it down to 9lbs when i sold it. they say max is 9lbs. I was just looking at the powerdyne the other day for my new truck. A roots style blower does make better low end torque which is what our trucks need and use, however the price of them are up there. Were did you find the powerdyne for $2,800??
From my explorer experiences... i did need larger fuel injectors and i did away with the fmu and installed an adj fuel pressure regulator. The truck was a blast to drive after the install. The Powerdyne is also VERY simple to install and uninstall if needed. Also, i believe powerdyne has fixed their belt issue. Most of the mustang guys would try and over spin the heck out of them to get as much power as possible. Powerdyne also has a gear drive headunit out now that uses the same style housing thats fits the existing brackets and good for 18psi.... however the belt blower is all self contained, quiet, and like i said simple to install.... I also had a ford motorsport blower on my mustang which was really a relabled powerdyne as well... i had about 30,000 miles on it, but i sold it and went twin turbo instead.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:07 PM
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[QUOTE=Lumadar]Are you referring to me? QUOTE]

Yes.


Originally Posted by Lumadar
Although I have never owned a supercharged engine, I do have over 5 years of DAILY forum reading experience...
Thank you for that snippet, it was friggin priceless!! I'm going to use that in my signature


Originally Posted by Lumadar
I also worked at a Ford dealership with certified master mechanics for 6 months.
This was a close second for priceless sigs..

Originally Posted by Lumadar
I'm 21, blah blah blah.. and based on my response you can tell I'm still a kid with a lot to learn.
I edited that last one for you to summarize for the rest of us.

Whatever, have a nice day.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 01:34 AM
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Haha, classic reply to someone getting put in their place. At least you know it, son.

P.S. You think someday you can teach me that neat trick of taking things out of context to try and act like you made a point? It was so clever, how ever did you manage it...

Get a life, and get a clue douche bag
 
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