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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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Question The New Flexible Fuel 5.4L For The F-150

Has anyone with the new Flexible Fuel 5.4L engine tried the E85 Ethanol blend? I was curious about the performance. I understand that the octane level is 105 with E85. Here is a link to E85 stations if anyone is interested. http://www.e85fuel.com/database/search.php
 
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 10:40 AM
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Woah.. Don't even got one of those in my state!
 
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 12:48 PM
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DBader, First, MAN YOUR TRUCK IS PRETTY!!, haha

Are all of the new 5.4's flex fuel?? Have you tried it if so what were the outcomes?
 
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 12:58 PM
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No, all the new 5.4L are not FFV. Order code 995 is still the regular 5.4L, while Order Code 99V is the FFV engine. I believe that I read on FMCDealer.com that ALL orders from here out, except in green states, will be outfitted with the FFV engine. Green states are ones like California, New York, New Jersey, Maine, etc...

I have also heard that E85 does nothing for performance or gas mileage at all, and if anything it actually makes it worse.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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Thanks Thrill Racing. I have not tried the E85 yet but I was hoping someone here in the forum had. It would be nice to here some good feed back on it.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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Ethanol has less energy content than gasoline. However, E85 also has a much higher octane (ranging from 100 to 105) than gasoline. FFVs are not optimized to E85, so they experience a 5% to 15% drop in fuel economy. This will vary based on temperature and driving conditions.
For comparison purposes, aggressive driving habits can result in a 20% loss and low tire pressure can reduce mileage by 6%. Research indicates Ford FFVs experience a 5% horsepower gain on E85. The range of any particular vehicle is dependent on the size of the fuel tank and driving habits. Current Ford Taurus FFVs have an 18-gallon fuel tank and will normally travel 350 miles between refuelings.
I just copied this from the E85 101 frequently asked questions from the link above. A horsepower gain of 5% on 300 flywheel hp = 315HP...interesting?
 
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 02SuperCrew4X
No, all the new 5.4L are not FFV. Order code 995 is still the regular 5.4L, while Order Code 99V is the FFV engine. I believe that I read on FMCDealer.com that ALL orders from here out, except in green states, will be outfitted with the FFV engine. Green states are ones like California, New York, New Jersey, Maine, etc...

I have also heard that E85 does nothing for performance or gas mileage at all, and if anything it actually makes it worse.
I hope the FFV setup doesn't become standard. I'll be buying another truck sometime in '08ish I think, and flex fuel modules are expensive to replace when they fail.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 07:03 PM
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I hope the FFV setup doesn't become standard. I'll be buying another truck sometime in '08ish I think, and flex fuel modules are expensive to replace when they fail.
My next truck will be a Super Duty, so I shouldn't have to worry about FFV.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 07:06 PM
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You can't get an 2006 flareside with FFV.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 07:53 PM
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My next truck will be a Super Duty, so I shouldn't have to worry about FFV.
Are you sure? What about E95 blend for the diesels?
 
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 02SuperCrew4X
I have also heard that E85 does nothing for performance or gas mileage at all, and if anything it actually makes it worse.

This is true.....i have an explorer with a flex fuel motor.....i only see benefits from the E85 in the SUMMER time....as it makes the truck feel more responsive.....however is MUCH cheaper than regular gas....and for those with superchargers or performance chips.....E85 (105 octane) wouldnt be a bad alternative to 91/93 octane when considering price.
 
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 05:11 PM
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Cheaper than gas?

That's interesting, I just assumed it would be priced the same. Cool.
 
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 05:18 PM
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Mattieb87, Does the engine in your explore idle smooth when running on E85? Does it knock or ping when accelerating? I'm just curious to get some of the characteristics of these engines when running on E85. I hope this turns out to be a good thing because like you said in the post E85 is cheaper than regular gas.
 
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