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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 06:42 PM
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It is almost always up to that particular dealer service. Some view modifications as a way to try to void warranties and others actually try to figure out what caused the problem. Tough call given your situation.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor7474
Oh yea, so basically if it comes to court, and if Ford decides to stand by it, they will send out engineer's to look at the failure. If the engineer's say it was caused by the mod's it's going to be engineer's vs your local mechanic's opinion, so yea your screwed.

Another thing is you said this happened the day after you put the lift kit on it? If a judge hear's "Well it was fine for 20k miles, then I put a lift kit on it and the next day it broke." That's all the judge will need to hear. You will loose.

Sorry to hear that's happening to you man, but you got to understand if you modify a vehicle you have a very good chance of your warranty being denied, I think we all know this. I'm starting to do alot of mod's to my truck, but if any thing ever breaks, I will have it towed to the house, put it back to stock and take it to the dealer in stock form, just to save 4-5k$ to replace an engine.
You shouldn't be allowed to post anymore... You are giving advice on a subject you apparently know nothing about. To say that the outcome of a vehicle warranty claim case would come down to an engineer's word against the local mechanic's word is quite possibly the most ingnorant post I have seen on this board. You likely have never even been in a civil court room. Leave the advice to those that actually know what they are talking about... (By the way, I especially liked when you stated, "[t]hat's all the judge will need to hear"... it gave me a good laugh. )

This should be a lesson to us all. Always keep in mind that the author of any given post on an internet forum is, for all intents and purposes, anonymous. Anonymity affords the author zero accountability (as well as zero liability) for incorrect or false statements. Deduce from that what you will...
 

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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RamSS/T
BTW I wouldnt mention the "4wd at 45MPH" part to them....
Originally Posted by jcsc
Exactly
Yes, let's not mention that a moment of stupidity and negligence (hey, it happens) might have blowed something up in the drivetrain, so the tech can waste valuable time and lose money diagnosing and repairing something under warranty that probably shouldn't be covered.

Been there, done that, and I've pushed as hard as I can to throw stuff like that out the window as far as getting the repairs warrantied. You'd be surprised how far you can get just coming up front and telling the service manager what you did. I hate being lied to. Don't you?

Truth be told, 45 mph into 4-High shouldn't do any damage. The book says you can throw 'er into 4WD as fast as 55 mph. But without seeing the damage first hand, who knows what all is broke.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor7474
Oh yea, so basically if it comes to court, and if Ford decides to stand by it, they will send out engineer's to look at the failure. If the engineer's say it was caused by the mod's it's going to be engineer's vs your local mechanic's opinion, so yea your screwed.

Another thing is you said this happened the day after you put the lift kit on it? If a judge hear's "Well it was fine for 20k miles, then I put a lift kit on it and the next day it broke." That's all the judge will need to hear. You will loose.

Sorry to hear that's happening to you man, but you got to understand if you modify a vehicle you have a very good chance of your warranty being denied, I think we all know this. I'm starting to do alot of mod's to my truck, but if any thing ever breaks, I will have it towed to the house, put it back to stock and take it to the dealer in stock form, just to save 4-5k$ to replace an engine.
This is not entirely true. As always, it depends largely on your dealer's policies and whether or not they want to risk jacking their 126 report up.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 08:41 PM
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2H noise pssible causes:
1. Mode selector switch
2. Intergrated Wheel Ends (IWE)
3. IWE Solenoid
4.Vacuum leaks
5. 4x4 module (PCM)
6. Front Halfshaft

To troubleshoot further it requires pinpoint test K.
There is too much to type for the pinpoint test, But just lift the (both) front tires off the ground, start the truck, LEAVE in park, select 2H, Then spin the left tire one full turn forward and one full turn backwards and watch the lefgt half shaft to see if is turning also, repeat for the right, if both turn it is 90% of a chance that it is the solenoid, if only one half shaft turns it is the IWE (Intergrated Wheel End) Probably got broken during instalation of the lift therefor most likely a voided warrenty.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2005 | 11:41 PM
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Whether the warranty is good or not at this point is moot. I agree with those that say most likely you'll end up paying since you did the damage. The warranty only covers when parts fail due to normal usage. Sorry bout that, but you might as well be prepared for the worst and pray for the best.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2005 | 12:11 AM
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Dude, sorry but forget all the legal mumbo jumbo everyone is ranting about - it all boils down to this.


If you put a aftermarket exhaust on, and your rear window leaks, they can't refuse you warrenty work on the window because it has no effect on it.

But, if you radically alter the suspension of the vehicle, and putting it into 4x4 broke something yet to be determined, then you are going to have a HARD time getting work done for free. Notice i didn't say impossible...

So in "theory" you could "prove" that MAYBE the lift had nothing to do with the failure, but it's going to be very hard. It's not like you dropped a K&N filter in and the 4x4 blew...maybe even see if what the lift installer did was maybe messed up...blame him lol

here's my real-life example though, I had a 2002 dodge ram. They had notoriously bad transmissions (4re). Anyway, mine decided to take a dump exactly 1 month after i had a 6" lift and 36" tires installed. And you know what, the dealer did everything in his power to do the work under warrenty, but alas when some dude from dodge came down to okay the expense of replacing the tranny he threw a fit and they had to charge me for the work. I believe the tranny was probably messed up just like every other one out there, but because mine looked like it was abused, they couldn't help me.

Moral of the story - SERVES ME RIGHT & you get what you pay for (warrenty is free lol) :santa:
 
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 10:35 PM
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bump!

what ever happened!?
 
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 10:47 PM
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Have the same noise, only really bad. I have never put a single mod on the drivetrain of the truck. Bottom line, the IWE is roughly $80. Court will cost more than $80. I am changing at least 1 this week. I would never let the dealer mess up my $40K truck over a $80 part. There may be some good dealers, just not ones that care about a truck like its owner.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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Update

Well, the shop closed early on Friday, but they were installing a new CV boot (because the passenger side was leaking like a toothpaste pattern of grease).

They were closed on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday.

I hope to give you all some good news tomorrow, but I have a feeling that I'm now knee-deep in it...

 
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Old Dec 27, 2005 | 02:12 PM
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New Update

Okay.

I just got off the phone with my mechanic. He told me he is replacing the CV boot (which was oozing grease all over) and the right side hub (which is what was loosing vacuum pressure and engaging).

So the problem has been identified (and predicted correctly by some members on this forum). Now I need to play the "waiting game" while the Ford parts get shipped to him.

I'm hopeful to have her back by this weekend so I can finally post some pics of her with the new grille, lift, wheels, etc...

I want to thank everyone for their input and advice. You guys were right on the money!
 

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Old Dec 27, 2005 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor7474
Sorry man I work for Ford as a warranty claims administrator,

There's a federal law, named after a person who fought, I can't remember the name of it.
Doesn't this just give you a lot of faith in Ford's warranty service
 
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Old Dec 27, 2005 | 03:11 PM
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i was told by my dealer that i couldnt lift mine at all due to warranty an couldnt go any bigger than 2 sizes bigger on tire size but i put a 2.5 leveling kit on it but they didnt even notice that but with a 6" an 35's you might have a problem with that one but who knows you may get by with it
 
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Old Dec 27, 2005 | 03:28 PM
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I've had my truck worked on with my lift and 35s. The service manager was asking me if I was interested in getting a new truck and selling him my truck.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 04:02 PM
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Why is everyone worried about the 45 MPH? The owners manual states you can engage the 4x4 at speeds "up to 55 MPH". Has it changed from the '04 model to '06?
 
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