At WOT, yeah. Not too bad at cruise.

 

Friggin eh, they never called back. Guess i'll have to call and beg 'em to take my money.

 

Ha! One guy said the only think they suck at is getting to the phone... once he was past that he was very happy. Engineers don't like phones.

 

Right, or dealing with people eh? The called bacl today. Says they don't real offer an enhanced dyno tuning of the Excalibrator. Owner has an F150 yada yada. What, if anything, do you know about their tune relative to (1) your superchips and (2) Troyer? Thanks

 

So they just offer a generic tune? I figured they'd still say "sure, we'll slap it on the dyno and tweak it". Huh... now I'm disappointed.

Everyone hear raves about Troyer and I'm sure its a solid tune, but A. I don't want to wait 3 months for a flippin' tuner and B. Some things the guy says strike me as odd, so I feel I'd rather go to a local shop and see the data, talk with the guy, blah blah blah... I thought AA was the place....

 

Yeah, I have teh same thoughts, but no "custom" tune.

 

Well that sucks. Maybe I'll call and pester them as well. The guys got the skills to do it I wonder why they said no?

 

Hell if I know. The guy I spoke to wasnot the tuner. The tuner was out. But I guess they are simply saying, hey, we spent a ton of time and tuned it to max out performance on te 5.4, and it ain't worth your money to f around with a dyno'd tune. Any response to my otehr question to you, as to how anyone you know with troyer's tune or AA stacks up to your superchips, which from your numbers seems pretty damn good and i could have tomorrow? Looking at AAs dyno, it does not look that impressive really.

 

Well I have no idea how Troyer's tune would stack up against AA or the 1714 I have... he say he can get up to 50% more power than the 1714 tune (so maybe 10-15 more ponies) and other stuff. But that's on premium fuel, mainly due to the 93 octane most of us can get. I think what makes the Troyer tune seem like a raped ape is the same reason I feel an AA tune would - Ford intentionally programmed stock to NOT snap the throttle opening as quick or at the same rate the driver moves the pedal. That makes a huge diff in throttle response and off-line the line power. I want that gone. I also want linear shift pressure... when I'm easy on the throttle I want smooth shifts, when I have it buried in the floor I want crisp hard shifts.

I haven't seen anyone with my setup & a Troyer tune post any times... so who knows...

 

No - not at all.

 

Did you make any stock runs or were all your runs with the 1714 installed? Without some stock runs made in at least similar conditions, you won't really know what kind of gains the 1714 gave you.

 

I never made stock runs as I got the g-timer well afterwards. However, I can tell you it's not that much and I know I'd hover around that 17 second mark. I know the 1714 + K&N gave me .3 to .4 off my quarter time. I don't want to remove the tune since both upper-end power & gas milage goes in the toilet for at least 3 weeks. And that sucks, really really sucks. That's 6 weeks of sh***y MPG's and sluggish top-end performance while this retarted PCM learns. Well, the top-end performance learned fairly quickly (about a week) but it takes 3 tanks before my MPGs go back to normal.

 

Linear response--that's what Troyer and AA claim.

 

All I'm trying to say is that if you don't make runs in at least similar conditions, you can't really compare them. If you look at the numbers you posted in that way, it would seem the Magnaflow was worth about .4 in the quarter.

Times will vary greatly with different conditions.

 

Thus, I noted the 10 degree difference. That maybe a tenth... it's not like ran the other runs at 100 degree heat and 90% humidity after a 4 hour drive... each run was very similar, with exception to the mods and small degree difference... I found through my testing temps really didn't become a factor until the sun was shinning and it was in the upper 80s... then it just CRUSHES performance....

Bottom line, the Maggie & AF1 added a bit more ommph as those times were never attainable under any condition prior to their install...