Troyer mods
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From: Suwanee, GA & Montana
alright, anything you do to your truck, add on to your truck, take off of your truck has the potential to permit FoMoCo to deny warranty coverage of the part/parts/areas in question. even with your 3 year extension. search moss magnuson act
sorry to be so blunt, but like the posts say, this comes up every other day it seems like, and the same response is given... you're not going to find the post that says, you can do whatever you want and have ford pay for it.
its up to your discretion to mod or not to mod- if you mod, then you in turn inherit any responsibility for the maintenance, upkeep of the mod, and any mechanical systems directly related, influenced by the mod.
good luck, the boards will provide masses of information
jj
sorry to be so blunt, but like the posts say, this comes up every other day it seems like, and the same response is given... you're not going to find the post that says, you can do whatever you want and have ford pay for it.
its up to your discretion to mod or not to mod- if you mod, then you in turn inherit any responsibility for the maintenance, upkeep of the mod, and any mechanical systems directly related, influenced by the mod.
good luck, the boards will provide masses of information
jj
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From: Central KY
Originally Posted by rj28racer
Would the troyer mods stage 1 void ford warrenty , i also have the three year service also would it affect this also
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warranty
sorry but i don't see all of these post talking about warraty issue's that you mention, I would like to know if I have a Troyer stage 1 what there reaction would be, I understand that i could put the programing back to stock but what about the intake and the exshaust crossover. I;m not sure if these mods are worth it if there's any chance of having problems ford.
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Just don't get caught w/ your pants down. If you can bring your vehicle to OEM condition prior to any service/warranty work then you should be OK. Your relationship w/ the service manager/writer can make a difference on certain issues that may come up.
I generally haven't used any of my cars' warranties after one year. Whenever a part broke or needed replacing I just bought a higher quality/better designed replacement which likely won't need replacing. It costs more but its one less thing getting a headache over.
I generally haven't used any of my cars' warranties after one year. Whenever a part broke or needed replacing I just bought a higher quality/better designed replacement which likely won't need replacing. It costs more but its one less thing getting a headache over.
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From: Sunny FL
Originally Posted by Superchips_Distributor
Hi F-150snowplow,
To really learn just what your actual LEGAL rights are regarding the use of any aftermarket parts and retaining your new vehicle warranty, drop by this web site and read up: www.sema.org
By law, you have the right to do any modification you want to your vehicle, and as long as that modification does not actually cause DAMAGE to the vehicle, your warranty remains intact - by law. It's the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, and we can thank SEMA largely for our rights in this regard. Now this is pertaining to modifications within reason - strap on a nitrous oxide system & you can kiss some parts of your warranty goodbye, usually. You do need to exercise some common sense & fairness in what modifications you do to keep the warranty intact.
Yes, there are some dealers out there who will play warranty games, but it's primarily because they get paid much less to do the same work under warranty than when we have to pay out of pocket for that exact same work. But it's your rights under the LAW that actually govern what you can and cannot do - not what someone's hired help says (and not what we say, either). So learn your right under the law by dropping by the www.sema.org web site.
Could a performance tune possibly void a warranty? Sure it could, if a "tuner" does something stupid in the programming of the PCM, that certainly can cause damage to the vehicle! That is why it's important to work with someone who knows the platform in detail, as well as being a skilled tuner - we've specialized in F-150 performance for 14 years, and our customers do not sustain damage to their vehicles from our tuning. You can review many years of posts right here and clearly see that.
For example, for your snowplowing work, you need a different type of tune than a typical "performance" tune - the EGT's (exhaust gas temperatures) need to be kept under control, and the automatic transmission (if so equipped) fluid temperatures need to be kept down, etc. So yes, snowplowing is something that needs a specific type of tune when ordering a "performance" tuning product like the XCalibrator 2 - it's very much like what we would do in a "towing" type of tune, only with slow plowing that activity happens at much lower speeds, so you don't have the airflow from road speed that you would have in towing - thus in some ways it's even harder on the vehicle. We can easily handle that for you.
What is datalogging? That is really far too detailed to explain in proper detail here, but in a nutshell, it is simply the act of recording certain operating parameters the PCM (your powertrain's computer) uses - then sending them on to your tuner to evaluate them for the purposes of (in this case) any potential changes to custom tuning. This is something that is not required in stock to lightly modified vehicles, and is really something done primarily in "significantly" modified vehicles - superchargers, different MAF's, larger fuel injectors, etc., rather than your more typical bolt-ons like an intake kit, cat-back exhaust system, etc.
Every one of our custom tuning customers receives a thoroughly detailed 14-page set of instructions telling them all about datalogging, and exactly how to do it, step-by-step. So when you order the XCalibrator 2 from us, you will get clear & thorough instructions in datalogging, written so that anyone can quickly & easily understand & do it.
Please feel free to give us a call to go over our custom tuning in more detail, and how it should be set up for how you are using your vehicle, etc. Our number is listed below for your convenience.
Good luck!
To really learn just what your actual LEGAL rights are regarding the use of any aftermarket parts and retaining your new vehicle warranty, drop by this web site and read up: www.sema.org
By law, you have the right to do any modification you want to your vehicle, and as long as that modification does not actually cause DAMAGE to the vehicle, your warranty remains intact - by law. It's the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, and we can thank SEMA largely for our rights in this regard. Now this is pertaining to modifications within reason - strap on a nitrous oxide system & you can kiss some parts of your warranty goodbye, usually. You do need to exercise some common sense & fairness in what modifications you do to keep the warranty intact.
Yes, there are some dealers out there who will play warranty games, but it's primarily because they get paid much less to do the same work under warranty than when we have to pay out of pocket for that exact same work. But it's your rights under the LAW that actually govern what you can and cannot do - not what someone's hired help says (and not what we say, either). So learn your right under the law by dropping by the www.sema.org web site.
Could a performance tune possibly void a warranty? Sure it could, if a "tuner" does something stupid in the programming of the PCM, that certainly can cause damage to the vehicle! That is why it's important to work with someone who knows the platform in detail, as well as being a skilled tuner - we've specialized in F-150 performance for 14 years, and our customers do not sustain damage to their vehicles from our tuning. You can review many years of posts right here and clearly see that.
For example, for your snowplowing work, you need a different type of tune than a typical "performance" tune - the EGT's (exhaust gas temperatures) need to be kept under control, and the automatic transmission (if so equipped) fluid temperatures need to be kept down, etc. So yes, snowplowing is something that needs a specific type of tune when ordering a "performance" tuning product like the XCalibrator 2 - it's very much like what we would do in a "towing" type of tune, only with slow plowing that activity happens at much lower speeds, so you don't have the airflow from road speed that you would have in towing - thus in some ways it's even harder on the vehicle. We can easily handle that for you.
What is datalogging? That is really far too detailed to explain in proper detail here, but in a nutshell, it is simply the act of recording certain operating parameters the PCM (your powertrain's computer) uses - then sending them on to your tuner to evaluate them for the purposes of (in this case) any potential changes to custom tuning. This is something that is not required in stock to lightly modified vehicles, and is really something done primarily in "significantly" modified vehicles - superchargers, different MAF's, larger fuel injectors, etc., rather than your more typical bolt-ons like an intake kit, cat-back exhaust system, etc.
Every one of our custom tuning customers receives a thoroughly detailed 14-page set of instructions telling them all about datalogging, and exactly how to do it, step-by-step. So when you order the XCalibrator 2 from us, you will get clear & thorough instructions in datalogging, written so that anyone can quickly & easily understand & do it.
Please feel free to give us a call to go over our custom tuning in more detail, and how it should be set up for how you are using your vehicle, etc. Our number is listed below for your convenience.
Good luck!
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What a great way to make a good impression. 
Im going to make this simple. It depends on your dealer, its like flipping a coin on wether or not they're going to deny you warranty work or not so if you feel comfortable with that 50% chance then go for it!
Im going to make this simple. It depends on your dealer, its like flipping a coin on wether or not they're going to deny you warranty work or not so if you feel comfortable with that 50% chance then go for it!
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From: Nawlins
I figure a lot of people do air intakes and exhaust kits so I wouldn't worry about that. I'd still return the computer program to stock before taking it in.
I also haven't been seeing a lot of these posts about warranty issues here. Maybe they're posting them in other parst of this board.
I also haven't been seeing a lot of these posts about warranty issues here. Maybe they're posting them in other parst of this board.
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From: Surprise, AZ
Originally Posted by rj28racer
...I would like to know if I have a Troyer stage 1 what there reaction would be, I understand that i could put the programing back to stock but what about the intake and the exshaust crossover. I;m not sure if these mods are worth it if there's any chance of having problems ford.
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From: Duluth, Minnesota
I have had the stage1 for awhile, i always turn my computer to stock...even for oil changes....you never know.
Else, i have had a list of things changed...
2 transmissions
throttle body
u joints
drive shaft
etc
etc
and they have never once questioned my mods on my truck....but thats because i found a kick butt dealership about 40 miles out of town that i have ABSOLUTLEY NO problems driving that far for their business. I have 2 ford dealerships within 10 miles of home which are CRAP!
Else, i have had a list of things changed...
2 transmissions
throttle body
u joints
drive shaft
etc
etc
and they have never once questioned my mods on my truck....but thats because i found a kick butt dealership about 40 miles out of town that i have ABSOLUTLEY NO problems driving that far for their business. I have 2 ford dealerships within 10 miles of home which are CRAP!