Great post OX! I agree 100%!

 

I might add that the dyno chart listed is for the Modular Intake Tube with an Airaid drop in filter, and not for the full intake kit. And since the CAI kit gives more horsepower than just the intake tube and drop in, I bet the full CAI is possibly near the full 20hp gain. But then again there are no dynos of before and after of either the actual Airaid CAI nor the AF1 CAI. I am waiting to see these before and after dynos to get an "actual" gain and not a claimed rwhp gain on these trucks. I just want to know if the claims of 20hp or 25hp are actually accurate, because I have never seen them accurate, they always end up less than claimed, but I will be the first to admit if I am proved wrong. I dont have a dyno near me, and I have an exhaust, so my dyno results wouldnt be quite fair to compare. I am not argueing here, just merely trying to find the "real" answers. I don't doubt Troyer's for a minute as stated before, but just want to see proof in numbers and dyno charts, that's all!

 

Perhaps next time you'll look at what was being dyno'd
Hard to compete when you are comparing a whole DIFFERENT product. Seems Air Raid doesn't have a dyno up for their kit either.

 

I will be the first one to admit that I was wrong on the dyno information for the Airaid, but that still doesn't change that fact that we have no supporting data on the AF1 intake prior to making a $300.00 purchase.

Put up or shut up

Ox

 

OX,

Read Mike Troyer's posts in this thread:Horsepower numbers. It will answer some of your questions. After reading all that, if you still have questions, you should call Troyer Performance and talk to Mike and allow him to give you the benefit of his expertise.

 

11HP and 19.2ft-lbs TQ @ 3000 rpms seems respectable for a bolt on modification.

we have no supporting data on the AF1 intake prior to making a $300.00 purchase


Umm lets see $400 as mentioned in this post for 11hp, K&N's are $250 - 300+ (depending on vendor, I looked at autoanything.com) for 15.47HP claimed.
or $300 for at least that much and claimed to be 25HP.

Even if we claim they are all relatively the same HP its a no brainer to me

 

I think everyone that wants an AEM Brute Force should go out and get one.
Why bother with the Airforce One when you can have a Brute Force

 

Look I am not saying that the AF1 doesn't produce the improvement that it claims. It may very well. I'm not say that Mike Troyer is not an upstanding proprietor. What I am saying and what I'm sure many of the members here (and lurkers) are also thinking is that this product does not have an independent review or test that support the performance claims. At least none that I can find. In additon, I have never delt with Toyer Performance. He doesn't even have a brick and mortar street address for his business listed on his website. I can take all of your words for this product, but alas I don't know a single one of you face to face.

And to be perfectly honest I am not willing to gamble the equivalent of a monthly truck payment to "trust me man, it works"

All things being equal I will buy the competitors proven product and pocket the difference.
Aem Brute Force:
$289.99
http://www.offroadsupercenter.com/pr...ducts_id=62502
$286.14
http://www.partsbynet.com/ford46.html
$281.13
http://www.gripmotorsports.com/pi~pn...ystem+170.html

K&N FIPK
$279.99
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Keeq5Sa...sp?i=513572556
$276.96
http://www.autoaccessory4u.com/0520fof15kna.html

 

Why dont we throw the Volant into the mix. I plan on purchasing an intake within the next week but with all this drama I'm confused again.

 

I want my mama......! I'm gonna have to bust out the spill kit if every1 doesn't stop bleeding all over this thread.

The bottom line is: Get what you want. I doubt any1 here can feel a 10hp difference in anything. They are all going to help to a degree & if you like it just buy it.

 

Please check out the information about the AF1.



https://www.f150online.com/forums/li...erformance.com

Please help me understand the difference between this vendor's version of the AF1 intake vs what is advertised else where.

Any help on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

Ox

 

It's a straight store. Didn't help design it and has never dyno'd it. And since AF doesn't list their numbers, where did the number come from.

if you want to find out why the AF1 does what it does on the NEW 5.4L 3v. Basically it is specific to one engine.Try searching, its some pretty involved posts.

Here's a wee bit, but there is a heck of a lot more too....

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...0&page=2&pp=15

And just a small qoute
"Last - why we see such larger power gains form properly designed intake kits on the 5.4 3V F-150 is precisely because of the design of the *factory* intake kit - not because of materials used, though the Air Force One does indeed show factual advantages in IAT's. The stock intake is far more restrictive in most (but not all) rpm ranges in the 5.4 3V F-150 than in previous F-150 designs, and is why we see such huge gains possible at just 2000-3000 rpm, but the power gains actually DROP at 5000 rpm, up at the power peak - because *that* is the only area where the stock factory 5.4 3V intake works decently - and in that area, we see maybe 10 HP gains from the Air Force One, while we see 25 HP gains at the wheels at just 3000 rpm from the Air Force One on that application. That weird anomaly is due to the design of the factory intake - the expansion chamber invokes a pressure drop one air velocity hit s critical point, and that allows it to not cost too much peak HP up top, even though it costs a boatload of HP down low - they're simply trying to keep *velocity* up along with dramatically retarded cam timing in their effort to provide some torque as well as try to improve MPG in the 5.4 3V F-150. There's *far* more going on there than most will ever know in the 5.4 3V F-150's air intake tract design & PCM calibrations, etc, it's fascinating - and can be improved on quite a bit, as we all know - that's what we do"

 

Dear God. $300+ for a piece of chrome pipe with paper on the end of it. Why didn't I think of making those.

 

I added pictures of my AEM Brute Force on my gallery. Check them out. Let me know what you think.

https://www.f150online.com/galleries....cfm?gnum=6191

 

I think I'm even more confused which to buy! Gotta respect a fellow Westchester F150 driver though. Not many of us around comapred to other parts of the country.