Seat belt buzzer/bell
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From: NH
Originally posted by FirstFord13
I think that buzzer is the biggest complaint I have with the truck. I'm an adult, if I choose not to strap myself in a vehicle I shouldn't have too. Just another big brother deal infringing on my personal rights. So I will read my manual, unhook the buzzer and drive freely without my seatbelt!
I think that buzzer is the biggest complaint I have with the truck. I'm an adult, if I choose not to strap myself in a vehicle I shouldn't have too. Just another big brother deal infringing on my personal rights. So I will read my manual, unhook the buzzer and drive freely without my seatbelt!
You wouldn’t have any problems with that would you? You wouldn’t sue anybody because you didn’t have a seat belt on would you? Of course you wouldn’t as neither would you mind me telling you ”Tough love brother, no money from me, hit the corner with your hand propped up for support money” You have a right to make your own decisions and I should have the right to roll you down to the local homeless hangout corner. I would help prop up your hand but after that I am leaving…
Not like you need Big Brother taking care of you right?
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01 XLT Sport,
Because you still are missing the point I will try one more time to help you. If saving money on your insurance and decreasing lawsuits are your main objectives in allowing the government to dictate your choices for you then surely you would agree cigarettes should be illegal. Remember, your want seatbelt laws because of your high taxes and insurance rates. According to the National Institutes of Health Smoking causes approximately $157.7 billion in annual health-related economic costs, including adult mortality-related productivity costs, adult medical expenditures, and neonatal medical expenditures. Smoking related medical costs totaled $75.5 billion in 1998 and accounted for 8% of personal health care expenditures. And the costs are increasing quickly!
Remember you said you want laws to FORCE personal responsibility, you even said it’s the American way. One of the most irresponsible things a human can do is smoke. We live in a country that was founded based on personal freedoms. I hate cigarettes but would never want them outlawed, in the same sense I wear my seatbelt but don’t think it should be a crime for those who don’t. That’s the real American way.
TheRealist
Because you still are missing the point I will try one more time to help you. If saving money on your insurance and decreasing lawsuits are your main objectives in allowing the government to dictate your choices for you then surely you would agree cigarettes should be illegal. Remember, your want seatbelt laws because of your high taxes and insurance rates. According to the National Institutes of Health Smoking causes approximately $157.7 billion in annual health-related economic costs, including adult mortality-related productivity costs, adult medical expenditures, and neonatal medical expenditures. Smoking related medical costs totaled $75.5 billion in 1998 and accounted for 8% of personal health care expenditures. And the costs are increasing quickly!
Remember you said you want laws to FORCE personal responsibility, you even said it’s the American way. One of the most irresponsible things a human can do is smoke. We live in a country that was founded based on personal freedoms. I hate cigarettes but would never want them outlawed, in the same sense I wear my seatbelt but don’t think it should be a crime for those who don’t. That’s the real American way.
TheRealist
Last edited by therealist; Sep 11, 2003 at 09:57 PM.
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From: Virginia
Cigs?
Just a note: Obesity cost more lives and more$ than cigs. Sorry, just the facts. I guess the reason the focus is on cigs is because more of us eat Ding-Dongs than smoke. We are more comfortable saying the other guy has the problem. Not really a 04 F-150 item is it? Sorry.. I'm just a little tired of the extortion of the tobacco industry.
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From: NH
Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
http://spahp.creighton.edu/desimone/.../AWECONOML.ppt
Just some information from above link:
Alcohol causes each year:
- 540,000 injuries in traffic accidents
- 17,000 deaths by drunk drivers, one person killed every 30 minutes.
- 107,400 deaths from medical problems
Alcohol is responsible for:
- 1 of every 3 falls
- 4 of every 10 reported assaults
- 1 of every 2 drowning deaths
- 2 of every 3 hypothermia deaths
- 3 of every 5 murders
- 1 of every 3 forcible rapes.
Question?
How much of the above statistics can be attributed to cigarette smokers?
We shall continue…
Tobacco only gets a little statement in these statistics which are basically for alcohol from the site above.
Tobacco & Alcohol figures
- 29.3 % of the population, older then 11 years old smokes.
- Tobacco’s cost of abuse is greater then $100 billion.
- 46.6 % of the population, older then 11 years old drinks.
- Alcohol’s cost of abuse is greater then $148 billion.
Alcohol cost society approx. 48% more money in abuse then does smoking
Who bears the cost of alcohol abuse?
Governments - $57.2 billion (38.6%)
Private insurance - $15.1 billion (10.2%)
Victims – $8.9 billion (6.0%)
Abusers/household – $66.8 billion (45.1%)
Tobacco is a BIG MONEY maker for local, state and the federal government. http://www.rjrt.com/TI/TI_TaxesPayments.asp
Next time you see a smoker who is of little harm to you walk up and thank them for giving a much BIGGER share of their money to local, state and federal tax collectors…
http://spahp.creighton.edu/desimone/.../AWECONOML.ppt
Just some information from above link:
Alcohol causes each year:
- 540,000 injuries in traffic accidents
- 17,000 deaths by drunk drivers, one person killed every 30 minutes.
- 107,400 deaths from medical problems
Alcohol is responsible for:
- 1 of every 3 falls
- 4 of every 10 reported assaults
- 1 of every 2 drowning deaths
- 2 of every 3 hypothermia deaths
- 3 of every 5 murders
- 1 of every 3 forcible rapes.
Question?
How much of the above statistics can be attributed to cigarette smokers?
We shall continue…
Tobacco only gets a little statement in these statistics which are basically for alcohol from the site above.
Tobacco & Alcohol figures
- 29.3 % of the population, older then 11 years old smokes.
- Tobacco’s cost of abuse is greater then $100 billion.
- 46.6 % of the population, older then 11 years old drinks.
- Alcohol’s cost of abuse is greater then $148 billion.
Alcohol cost society approx. 48% more money in abuse then does smoking
Who bears the cost of alcohol abuse?
Governments - $57.2 billion (38.6%)
Private insurance - $15.1 billion (10.2%)
Victims – $8.9 billion (6.0%)
Abusers/household – $66.8 billion (45.1%)
Tobacco is a BIG MONEY maker for local, state and the federal government. http://www.rjrt.com/TI/TI_TaxesPayments.asp
Next time you see a smoker who is of little harm to you walk up and thank them for giving a much BIGGER share of their money to local, state and federal tax collectors…
Mr. Reality
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From: NH
Originally posted by therealist
01 XLT Sport,
Because you still are missing the point I will try one more time to help you. If saving money on your insurance and decreasing lawsuits are your main objectives in allowing the government to dictate your choices for you then surely you would agree cigarettes should be illegal. Remember, your want seatbelt laws because of your high taxes and insurance rates. According to the National Institutes of Health Smoking causes approximately $157.7 billion in annual health-related economic costs, including adult mortality-related productivity costs, adult medical expenditures, and neonatal medical expenditures. Smoking related medical costs totaled $75.5 billion in 1998 and accounted for 8% of personal health care expenditures. And the costs are increasing quickly!
Remember you said you want laws to FORCE personal responsibility, you even said it’s the American way. One of the most irresponsible things a human can do is smoke. We live in a country that was founded based on personal freedoms. I hate cigarettes but would never want them outlawed, in the same sense I wear my seatbelt but don’t think it should be a crime for those who don’t. That’s the real American way.
TheRealist
01 XLT Sport,
Because you still are missing the point I will try one more time to help you. If saving money on your insurance and decreasing lawsuits are your main objectives in allowing the government to dictate your choices for you then surely you would agree cigarettes should be illegal. Remember, your want seatbelt laws because of your high taxes and insurance rates. According to the National Institutes of Health Smoking causes approximately $157.7 billion in annual health-related economic costs, including adult mortality-related productivity costs, adult medical expenditures, and neonatal medical expenditures. Smoking related medical costs totaled $75.5 billion in 1998 and accounted for 8% of personal health care expenditures. And the costs are increasing quickly!
Remember you said you want laws to FORCE personal responsibility, you even said it’s the American way. One of the most irresponsible things a human can do is smoke. We live in a country that was founded based on personal freedoms. I hate cigarettes but would never want them outlawed, in the same sense I wear my seatbelt but don’t think it should be a crime for those who don’t. That’s the real American way.
TheRealist
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Originally posted by therealist
We live in a country that was founded based on personal freedoms.
We live in a country that was founded based on personal freedoms.
So you see, I do indeed get the point, it is called reality…
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From: Texas
L Squared,
Very good point about obesity. and good luck with your lung cancer.
01 XLT sport,
If someone wins an award in court stemming from a car crash, it is because of another driver’s negligence and failure to operate their vehicle in a safe manner. Courts don't hand out larger judgments to people who don't wear seatbelts. All the facts of the case are considered and must stand on their own merit.
You stated you agreed with me as long as their there is "personal responsibility". Let’s face it, in America there is anything but responsible behavior. If forcing the public to pull down a seatbelt everytime they touch their car is such a responsible thing, then do you think fattening food, cigs and alcohol should be outlawed? How do you feel about these three things in your perfect 'responsible' world?
Very good point about obesity. and good luck with your lung cancer.
01 XLT sport,
If someone wins an award in court stemming from a car crash, it is because of another driver’s negligence and failure to operate their vehicle in a safe manner. Courts don't hand out larger judgments to people who don't wear seatbelts. All the facts of the case are considered and must stand on their own merit.
You stated you agreed with me as long as their there is "personal responsibility". Let’s face it, in America there is anything but responsible behavior. If forcing the public to pull down a seatbelt everytime they touch their car is such a responsible thing, then do you think fattening food, cigs and alcohol should be outlawed? How do you feel about these three things in your perfect 'responsible' world?
Last edited by therealist; Sep 11, 2003 at 10:55 PM.
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This thread is pointless!!
It all started because someone wanted to disable a buzzer that annoys the **** out of them, not the social problems in this country. The owners manual states how to disable the beltminder, I also hated and disabled mine. That way it won't **** me off while I am driving, drinking a beer, smoking, eating a Big Mac with supersized fries all while going over the postd speedlimit with my seatbelt off.
It all started because someone wanted to disable a buzzer that annoys the **** out of them, not the social problems in this country. The owners manual states how to disable the beltminder, I also hated and disabled mine. That way it won't **** me off while I am driving, drinking a beer, smoking, eating a Big Mac with supersized fries all while going over the postd speedlimit with my seatbelt off.
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Wow.
Responsibility starts with Parents. That means you, and you, and you and you and you. The Constitution addresses this, as does the Ten Commandments. If some of you prefer, there are options... France, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland. If those Socialist societies intrigue you, there are no restrictions to emmigration.
Seat belts - don't tell me when I have to wear 'em. Automatic transmissions - don't tell me when I have to shift.
Responsibility starts with Parents. That means you, and you, and you and you and you. The Constitution addresses this, as does the Ten Commandments. If some of you prefer, there are options... France, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland. If those Socialist societies intrigue you, there are no restrictions to emmigration.
Seat belts - don't tell me when I have to wear 'em. Automatic transmissions - don't tell me when I have to shift.
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Thank you Wookie,
I have never seen a site where everyone seems to be waiting to argue with who ever make's a post/opinion. All I asked was a simple question on the damn seatbelt buzzer. The site seems to be split about 60% in favor of seatbelts: fine wear them.. See you all later, If I don't get mangled, killed, crushed, etc. because I "chose" not to wear mine...
I have never seen a site where everyone seems to be waiting to argue with who ever make's a post/opinion. All I asked was a simple question on the damn seatbelt buzzer. The site seems to be split about 60% in favor of seatbelts: fine wear them.. See you all later, If I don't get mangled, killed, crushed, etc. because I "chose" not to wear mine...
Ya gotta LOVE that Wookie.......ooooooops, did I say Wookie???? I meant Nookie, Ya gotta LOVE that Nookie...hehehehe.....
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In this country we have something called free speach. If you people can't handle a spirted debate thats your problem. Instead of whining and complaining, why don't you contribute to the discussion.
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