Yeah I wonder how reliable the tundras are? Don't see too many of them around here.

 

I'm even starting to see people put Flowmasters on their Tundras...

Whowoulddathunkit?

 

Huh? They actually make flows for Tundras?

 

9400lb isn't that bad fora 1/2 ton rated truck if you ask me. Like others lets just wait and see how they do in the real world and what problems develop.
I'm not sure about the places where you guys live but there are a ton of the older 95 and below Toyota Pickups (you know the ones with the 22R or 22RE engine). The bodys are crap but the drivetrain lasts for ever and they are tough as nails. Then you see quite a few Tacoma's (not bad trucks IMO) and then you have very few of the crappy Tundra's. No way I'd pay to have one of them.

By the specs the Nissan looks good but the body is kinda fugly.

 

There's not too many Toyotas out here. The big seller here are the usual Ford, Chevy and Dodge.

 

Well, I said Flowmasters, but don't quote me.

They sounded as good as flowmasters, but they could've been Borla, Magna Flow, Gibson... who knows... I'm sure flows would hook up to it.

When you consider all the Tundras around Plano, I've only seen, maybe 5-10 with dual-exhaust. Didn't see any for a long time- and I just assumed that sophisticated engine wouldn't agree with after-market exhaust systems... I guess it can.

I saw a blackone today, with painted to match tonneau cover, and chrome wheels, with chrome 3" exhaust tips exiting the rear- still had the paper plate on it.

 

That's pretty suprising. But I guess aftermarket companies have to be diverse to make it now days. Tundras aren't half bad looking, definitely tell they used the F150 for a design base. From what I heard though they can't handle a load too well.

 

I've mostly heard that here, but- I have heard it.

I've never seen a towing comparo from C&D, MT or TT, so I don't know how legit claims of the Yota's inadequacy are. I'd think their 245 HP 4.7L V-8 would be able to tow anything Ford's 231 HP 4.6L V-8 could.

I know gearing makes all the difference, but I can tell you; from my towing experience- my 4.6L didn't disappoint me.

I doubt Nissan will make the same 'mistake' Toyota is accused of.

 

A friend of mine attended the Ford Immersion Tour here in AZ. It was for the sales and other people from the dealers only...

The Ford ppl hooked the F-150 to the Dodge Hemi, Tundra and Silverado trucks by the rear bumpers one at a time.

He said the Dodge put up the best fight , but the Ford pulled them all to t he Ford side.

My buddy said it was pure fun watching the tires going up in smoke on both trucks during the tug-a-war.

 

OK, Silverado, Tundra- I'll believe that. Base Dodge V8, I believe that too.

F-150 Dragged a Hemi? GTFOOH!!!

I'd have to see that. Dodge & Ford have ALWAYS been known for towing. Dodge over the years, moreso than Ford, until Ford pulls out the Super-Duty, then it's all over.

So, for the F-150 to yank the Hemi... Doubtful at best....
Maybe at idle, but not with the accellerator's down.

 

I personally don't think this test means much. There are too many factors, such as tires first and foremost. The truck that has the best tire for the type of surface has a clear advantage. Also unless they are hooked up where the weight distribution is even the results would be flawed. For instance if they hooked them up to the bumpers, say truck "a" had a higher bumper it would be lifting truck "b" off the ground and causing truck "b" to spin and at the same time putting more weight/traction onto truck "a". With all that said it seems logicall that the Ford would be the best puller, because Ford builds "TRUCK" engines that deliver nice flat low rpm torque that when it falls off the hp begins to kick in. Chevy and Dodge are more interested in marketing and PEAK hp numbers that don't always translate into real world results.

 

I've never seen a comparo either. Another factor could be brakes, and the strength of all the drivetrain components. It could have all the hp & tq in the world but if the rearend or tranny can't handle the stress and heat then it becomes a $30,000 lawn ornament.

 

I dont care if you believe it.

although my buddy is only 32, I know him not to be a liar. He is actually more of a serious guy than me and I am 18 years older than him.

I would imagine since Ford setup the program they selected the presentation items for best effect.

They also had the bare frames of each truck setup for comparision. My buddy said he would never buy a Tundra after seeing the bare frames and the flex they each had.

For towing power my 2000 5.3 Silverado extra-cab easily out pulls our 2001 Super Crew with the 5.4. So many people talk about the torque of the 5.4 & I am still looking for it. I pull an aluminum Featherlite car trailer with various sized cars on it. The Silverado pulls better with better fuel mileage.

The Super Crew does it's job well, never had any trouble with it from the day I bought it.

When the 2004 Super Crews roll into Az I will go look at them. Looked at a 04 Lariat extra cab tonight. Nice truck, not sure about the floor shifter though.

I do not see Nissan's Titan getting close to the new F-150 myself, could be wrong I guess.

 

Ford sent out a tape with the F-150 hooked to a RAM and yes it did drag it. However, this means basically nothing, give me 10 minutes and let me hook the chain and I'll drag the F-150 with a Ranger.

The part that was interesting was the drag race. Pulling trailers the F-150 edged ahead of the Hemi (destroyed the 360). This is more of a fair comparision. I don't think the HEMI is all its supposed to be, the numbers I've seen don't seem to support its horsepower claims. See this dyno test for example.

HEMI

 

How did they estimate the drivetrain losses at 22%? Seems like the F-150 that suposedly puts out 260hp at the flywheel tend to end up in the 190hp range at the wheels, about 27% loss which is directly in line with the Dodge motor. Also, that dyno said the engine had 1600 miles on it, still quite fresh. Most people say that motors peak around 10k miles and it has been my (limited) experience as well.