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Old Aug 15, 2015 | 11:49 AM
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F150 sometimes starts, sometimes doesn't

Help! New guy here. Ford F150, 5.4 v8.

Starting to get really frustrated.

Getting a single click when I turn the key, but no start, no crank.

Replaced the starter and firewall-mounted solenoid. Thought I'd fixed it, drove it a few days, all is great. This morning it failed to start. I clicked it 15+ times, no luck. I walked away, came back and it started right up 10 min later.

Battery appears strong, lights work, radio, AC, everything. I do not have a voltage tester, and have not had the battery tested yet. I ordered a new positive cable and will put that on as soon as I get it (much cheaper online than it is local).
 
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Old Aug 15, 2015 | 03:52 PM
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If the dash lights or the interior lights goes dim or out, it tells you there is a basic loss of 'circuit continuity' off the battery or the battery has an open inter cell connector.
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If the lights and dash stay full bright, it tells you a cable or connection to the starter is going open. Lights and other functions will be unaffected.
Either way it's an unreliable cable or connection ground or positive side.
You should have checked this out before replacing anything.
Good luck.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2015 | 04:45 PM
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Did you get the starter tested before you replaced it? You may have tossed a perfectly good starter. Parts stores do test starters and alternators free of charge.........
 
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Old Aug 15, 2015 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrass
If the dash lights or the interior lights goes dim or out, it tells you there is a basic loss of 'circuit continuity' off the battery or the battery has an open inter cell connector.
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If the lights and dash stay full bright, it tells you a cable or connection to the starter is going open. Lights and other functions will be unaffected.
Either way it's an unreliable cable or connection ground or positive side.
You should have checked this out before replacing anything.
Good luck.
Yes--I'm fully aware I probably tossed a perfectly good starter. I regret that. But having said that.....now to the actual problem:

When I try to start it, the headlights stay on. The dash lights, AC, radio, etc all go off when I attempt to start it. At that point it clicks once. When I turn the switch back, everything goes back on. You're suggesting that means it's the battery? Or a cable from it? Aren't the lights supposed to go dim while it attempts to start?
 
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Old Aug 16, 2015 | 03:36 PM
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Check the main starter wire for corrosion they corrode internally. Check and recheck all connection. From personnel experience like you I have tossed a few good ford starters. Fact is I can never remember the starter being the problem. Its always either the fire wall relay or a loose corroded wire. Ford builds pretty good starters. They last forever most of the time.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2015 | 12:30 PM
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I ended up having a local mechanic take a look at it. He said 2 things: One is the battery terminal was painted and was not making good contact with the cable, and it was corroded. The other was that the transmission linkage was loose--so it may have been in gear and reading it as in gear even if it was in park.

All I know is that I picked it up from him a couple days ago and it hasn't failed to start....yet. We'll see, going forward. In any event, if that fixed it, it's the best $40 labor I ever spent.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2015 | 11:15 PM
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Check the main starter wire for corrosion they corrode internally. Check and recheck all connection. From personnel experience like you I have tossed a few good ford starters. Fact is I can never remember the starter being the problem. Its always either the fire wall relay or a loose corroded wire. Ford builds pretty good starters. They last forever most of the time.
I must have got a junk one from the factory............mine only lasted about 290,000 miles and 12 years!
 
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Old Aug 20, 2015 | 12:32 AM
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If the dash lights go out there is a poor connection or ground.
The voltage drops across that poor connection.
If you have Pats, that system become inoperative as well.
You can end up with two issues at the same time.
The intermittent from the poor connection is current and or vibration sensitive.
Also the starter can't draw it's high current across such a fault.
Good luck.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2015 | 06:57 AM
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You need to tell us the YEAR of the truck as well as which transmission (auto/manual) is in it. Both tidbits relate to how the starter operates and what must take place.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2015 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by projectSHO89
You need to tell us the YEAR of the truck as well as which transmission (auto/manual) is in it. Both tidbits relate to how the starter operates and what must take place.
Sorry. It's a 97 F150, automatic. 168k on the engine.

I don't have a voltmeter, and don't know how to use one. For that reason I haven't been able to check the cable connections. But I'm ready to get one and learn.

I took it into a mechanic a couple days ago. The mechanic put new ends on the battery cables, but told me that was the issue. For a couple of days it started, all was well.

Today I had an issue of it making a high-pitched screetching sound when I tried to start it. I tried it 4-5 times and finally it turned over. Since I was in town today, I took it to a NAPA and had them run the diagnostic on the battery and charging system. Everything checked out good.

Anyone know if a bad connection would result in that? Is it maybe a bad spot on the starter not making good connection to turn the motor over?
 
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Old Aug 20, 2015 | 01:09 PM
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You have something locking up on the motor.
A/C compressor, alternator or other belt driven part.
remove the belt as tst start.
If ok, go about finding which part won't turn, by hand.
Good luck.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2015 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrass
You have something locking up on the motor.
A/C compressor, alternator or other belt driven part.
remove the belt as tst start.
If ok, go about finding which part won't turn, by hand.
Good luck.
If I had a water pump put in, and with it I believe the mechanic put on a new belt and tensioner....could that do it?
 
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Old Aug 20, 2015 | 02:24 PM
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You either take charge of the situation or let some one else find the issue.
I gave you enough to look at, now do it.
There is no guessing.
Good luck.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2015 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrass
You either take charge of the situation or let some one else find the issue.
I gave you enough to look at, now do it.
There is no guessing.
Good luck.
heh...will do. That's an easy check to do.
 
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