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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 03:55 PM
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Heilcoil 1999 5.4 thorn in my side

#4 would not take a new set of threads during tune up. This cylinder has had a helicoil at 75,000. So what now? Re thread DIY or take it to ford and let them give it a go again? 171,000.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 04:01 PM
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The 5553 TimeSert kit is specifically designed to repair a spark plug hole that was previously repaired by a heli-coil. TimeSert is the only repair you should consider anyways. It's a permanent repair and is NOT another coil/thread replacement item. Do a search for TimeSert or 5553; tons of reading on here! Also do a search for a member on here that rents the kit out...will save you a ton of money over purchasing for a one-time repair!
 
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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 07:21 PM
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Actually, the Timesert 5553 is for a hole that has not had a helicoil installed.

Timesert makes the kit called the Bigsert for the previously messed up holes.

http://www.timesert.com/html/bigsert_sparkplug.html

The tool kit sold by Snap-On and several other tool truck companies also will do the oversized holes.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 10:39 PM
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Sorry, but you should do some additional homework. The 5553 kit IS a BigSert kit specifically designed for the Triton motor and IS designed to repair a hole previously repaired. Trust me...I know this one!
 
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Old Mar 4, 2014 | 12:54 AM
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I have the smaller version of that kit. I can repair a blown out plug in an hour in my garage. Its easy!
 
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Old Mar 4, 2014 | 07:10 AM
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Sorry, but you should do some additional homework. The 5553 kit IS a BigSert kit specifically designed for the Triton motor and IS designed to repair a hole previously repaired. Trust me...I know this one!
I did do my homework and I own a 5553 kit. The 5553 is not the "BigSert" kit, it's the "standard" TimeSert set for the Triton 2 and 4 valve heads

The instructions for the 5553 kit specifically state "This kit not recommended for holes larger than .660 inches or 16.8mm." As long as the hole isn't too large, the 5553 can be used.

Obviously, you didn't even bother to click on the link I conveniently provided for the Bigsert kit, part number 5141S.
 

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Old Mar 4, 2014 | 09:59 AM
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Since you own a 5553 kit, take a look at the tap in the kit (if it's still the original tap)...it is marked with the dimensions and clearly says "BigSert" right there on the side. If that's still not enough data for you, give the tech department a call; they'll confirm it for you. Yes, you did send a link and the 5553 kit is right there on the BigSert page. The BigSert listed at the top is their generic kit. The tap/thread may be the same size, but the 5553 kit (and the inserts) are specifically designed for the Triton motor. Which brings up another point; look at the thread size of the BigSert kit in your link...14 X 1.25. Now go look at the tap size in your 5553 kit...14 X 1.25...How about that?? Kinda hard for one to be a standard repair and the other a BigSert with the same size hole! Like I said, give them a call and let us know what you find out.
 

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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 09:53 AM
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Galaxy,

Thanks for pointing me towards some additional research. Based on it, I better understand history and the content of the various kits. I guess I took their verbiage a bit too literally and didn't dig deep enough and I thank you for encouraging more work.

Playing around at Archive.org, Timesert.com has had the 'Bigsert' stuff around since at least '98. It looks like there are at least one or two predecessor kits to the 5553 kit for use on the Triton (5551, 5141E) as well as a generic 5141 kit that could also be used. The 5553 kit itself has been around since '05 and includes a tool specific to the Triton, inserts, and the case. Most of the other tools in the 5553 kit are the same as in the predecessor 5141E 'Bigsert' kit.

One note is that the included tap 55513 is actually an M18-1.5 for the outer diameter of the 51459 insert. The inner diameter of the insert is the M14-1.25 which corresponds to the standard Triton spark plug. I guess they labeled it as "M14-1.25" to identify the end application although it doesn't physically identify the tap's characteristics.

I did notice that Timesert also offers a "last chance" option for even bigger holes. That puts an oversized reducer into the hole and then a standard 51459 (or similar) insert is installed into that.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 12:05 PM
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No problem dude. I wasn't trying to be an @$$ either.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 01:13 PM
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#4

I just received an estimate for $400 to rethread #4 on my 1999 5.4. Is that a decent estimate or is it High?
 
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 01:32 PM
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I bought a timesert kit and all the stuff to do several hole and did it my self for under $200. I bought the kit used for $150 and then I ordered inserts and locktight. The kit I have only retails for about $200. Galaxy rents the stuff ask him what he charges.. After buying the kit and the stuff I have all the stuff to fix a blowout in my garage for free! takes about an hour!
 
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 01:54 PM
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Send Galaxy a PM, he can't discuss kit rental in the open forum.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 08:50 PM
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mY hands look like I tried to remove a lure from a gutt-hooked Pike/muskie, ready to pay somebody. The other issue is the oil weap, passenger side rear on header. Tommy Chong- at a stop light. Is a fix on that possible? or just another Head gasket? Cut my losses? Is the "nickel and dime option" worth it at this point? 171,000. One spark plug calvan - resert.. and a 1/2 quart is better than a trk payment. Need some sound wisdom on the combo.

Thanks for the Feedback guys. Never say Die.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 09:23 AM
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Galaxy,

Thanks for pointing me towards some additional research. Based on it, I better understand history and the content of the various kits. I guess I took their verbiage a bit too literally and didn't dig deep enough and I thank you for encouraging more work.
I love to see when someone is big enough to admit they were wrong. Good man!

As for the OP, it sounds like maybe it's time for you to take on a payment. If you struggle to do your own work, a 170k vehicle is going to bring a lot of frustration and downtime. It's not going to improve from here.

Just my opinion!
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 11:43 AM
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I used the Timesert mah salf and tis bin flawless thus fer.
 
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