Lean codes
I have re-read this thread a couple times, tfast. You are receiving good info. You haven't told us what specific codes you have, just "lean codes". Bluegrass has informed you of a scanner to use. We have no idea of your previous skills about discerning the data that you will receive. I can read a physics book, but I don't know how to apply it.
I agree, sometimes people around here may get a little short, but if you give them the necessary info and show you are investigating it, you will get all the help you need.
I hope you get it fixed. It is frustrating to do all that you know and still have an unresolved issue. Good luck.
I agree, sometimes people around here may get a little short, but if you give them the necessary info and show you are investigating it, you will get all the help you need.
I hope you get it fixed. It is frustrating to do all that you know and still have an unresolved issue. Good luck.
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Jim
Jim
Honestly, if you get yourself at least a Reader so you can at least see the codes then study what brings on those codes your a bit ahead of the game.
If you still have the same codes, you missed the cause at some point.
Believe me, using a Scanner requires you to know what your looking at.
It's not a game of telling you the exact cause.
You have to know what your looking at and for.
You indicate your desire to super charge the motor.
Unless you buy an engineered kit and install per instructions you have a high chance of blowing the motor unless the PCM program is able to be altered with a tuner and program..
Your experiences with a shop tells me they didn't know or understand the issues either.
Education is the key.
Good luck.
If you still have the same codes, you missed the cause at some point.
Believe me, using a Scanner requires you to know what your looking at.
It's not a game of telling you the exact cause.
You have to know what your looking at and for.
You indicate your desire to super charge the motor.
Unless you buy an engineered kit and install per instructions you have a high chance of blowing the motor unless the PCM program is able to be altered with a tuner and program..
Your experiences with a shop tells me they didn't know or understand the issues either.
Education is the key.
Good luck.
Last edited by tfast150; Jul 5, 2013 at 05:15 PM.
Ok, cool. I am with you. Vacuum leaks are frustrating. Those elbows in the pcv system can hide huge holes on the inside of the elbows. I know you have replaced them, so they should be good. Bend them to see if there are cracks or holes that you may not otherwise see. Is your idle a little faster than normal? Mine would idle around 800, then I found the bad elbow, and it dropped back down to 600/625 or so. Good luck.
Last edited by jump n; Jul 5, 2013 at 11:17 PM.
Does it have trouble starting? Maybe low fuel pressure, not enough fuel getting there, causing it to be lean? Dirty MAF?
http://www.aa1car.com/library/ford_lean_codes.htm
http://www.aa1car.com/library/ford_lean_codes.htm
Last edited by jump n; Jul 5, 2013 at 11:28 PM.
What you describe for a cold start is normal.
Here is the cold start routine.
Key to run before cranking, the PCM looks at the resistance value of the CHT and the IAT sensors to determine if it is to be a cold start. It has no other way to know this.
The IAC is opened to provide the high idle and extra air.
Fuel injection is richened up.
And ignition timing is advanced.
Ox sensor heaters begin to heat up.
And fuel pump comes on for a second to two to the begin pressure build in the fuel rails.
At cranking the only thing that changes is the fuel pump come on full time..
After the motor starts, the Ox sensors must attain close to 600 degrees to begin outputting their signals.
When this happens they take over fuel injection control from that point on.
The idle speed is set in program.
The idle is attained by looking at the crank sensor output as a Tach signal.
The RPM is compared to the idle table.
If the match is outside +/- 50 rpm a correction is made by modulating the IAC to keep it within limits at all times.
Normal idle is 650 +/- a small amount when fully hot.
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BTW just got done supercharging a 94 F150 lightening 5.7L with a Vortech centrifugal at 8 psi. Trans has shift kit mods and 4;11 gears.
MSD ignition and boost timing controllers.
Good luck.
Here is the cold start routine.
Key to run before cranking, the PCM looks at the resistance value of the CHT and the IAT sensors to determine if it is to be a cold start. It has no other way to know this.
The IAC is opened to provide the high idle and extra air.
Fuel injection is richened up.
And ignition timing is advanced.
Ox sensor heaters begin to heat up.
And fuel pump comes on for a second to two to the begin pressure build in the fuel rails.
At cranking the only thing that changes is the fuel pump come on full time..
After the motor starts, the Ox sensors must attain close to 600 degrees to begin outputting their signals.
When this happens they take over fuel injection control from that point on.
The idle speed is set in program.
The idle is attained by looking at the crank sensor output as a Tach signal.
The RPM is compared to the idle table.
If the match is outside +/- 50 rpm a correction is made by modulating the IAC to keep it within limits at all times.
Normal idle is 650 +/- a small amount when fully hot.
.
BTW just got done supercharging a 94 F150 lightening 5.7L with a Vortech centrifugal at 8 psi. Trans has shift kit mods and 4;11 gears.
MSD ignition and boost timing controllers.
Good luck.
Thanx! I expect it in the winter but even on hot days occasionally it seems to take much longer then usual to return to normal idle even longer then when its extremely cold, but never has a different affect on the 171 and 174 lean codes. I may just have to deal with the cel until I'm finished rebuilding my new motor, which is getting the procharger. Ive had 3 coils go on this motor in less then a year (2x motorcraft 1x msd), exhaust manifold leak, and the typical head gasket issue on the passenger side and these damn lean codes. Sounds like a few more ponies for ya!
Last edited by tfast150; Jul 6, 2013 at 02:55 PM.




