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Old Sep 19, 2012 | 05:25 PM
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A new use for 5.4 coils

So I'm trying to drop my Lexus to running solid mid 12's and to do that, I need to change the fuel and ignition system. It's Toyota OBD1 so no chips/programmers, and aftermarket ECU's are pricey. I'm running the twin turbo Japanese Toyota Aristo ECU (PCM in Ford talk) which doesn't use a distributor like my SC300 ECU. Anyway, I need to run 6 coils - or 3 with waste spark, but I didn't have anything laying around except the leftover coils from my V10 swap.





It got the car running, but I think the coils are too weak to handle more than 5 PSI of boost because the car falls on its face after the turbo spools. I have some proper coils on the way now, but I thought some may enjoy the GhettoSpark system.

Oh yeah, the 5.4 also donated a heated o2 to the Lexus project.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2012 | 06:35 PM
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Are you sure it's the coils and not the plugs????gap and temperature range
 
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Old Sep 19, 2012 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 88racing
Are you sure it's the coils and not the plugs????gap and temperature range
Well... Those same plugs and wires worked great at higher boost levels than I can hit right now with my old distributor setup, so I don't think so. I think running them with wires too much resistance for the COP design. I should know more tomorrow. My new coils arrived this afternoon.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2012 | 06:55 PM
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Well... Those same plugs and wires worked great at higher boost levels than I can hit right now with my old distributor setup, so I don't think so. I think running them with wires too much resistance for the COP design. I should know more tomorrow. My new coils arrived this afternoon.
Thats right.....it could be the wires.....cops usually just are right on top of the plugs....
 
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Old Sep 19, 2012 | 08:25 PM
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I think running them with wires too much resistance for the COP design. I should know more tomorrow. My new coils arrived this afternoon.
I bet your right. Huh, - seen quite a few flaky "yellow label" Motorcraft coils in the past. Might be just coincidence related tho. Yellow's are pretty dated now (old!) I believe the last time I've seen them was on a factory 04 engine. Green's are VERY old. Blacks/paint marked are the newest.

Anyway. The wires may definitely be affecting. Like you said, you may need different coils. The 508's are more less a resistance #. I believe that's a threshold number only, as resistance can vary through each individual coil bench testing and still be considered healthy. BUT,- with the added wire, I'm not sure how that would play out. You may need to make adjustments, just like your thinking. Either a coil with lower resistance number or a higher output to counter.

Design = low volt signal to pulse right... It's all about pulse
 
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Old Sep 20, 2012 | 01:07 AM
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Didn't get a chance to install the new coils today. I bought a 67 Jeepster Commando for a flip car. Sure do love the way that V10 tows! I towed the Jeep on a 20' tandem axle flatbed behind the Ford for 100 miles or so. It never struggled up the hills - even managed to pass a few people on the inclines.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2012 | 07:03 AM
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What year did you put the V10 in?
 
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Old Sep 20, 2012 | 08:58 AM
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This year
It's in my 99 f150, formerly 5.4.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2012 | 09:29 AM
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Do you have a write up on that swap by chance. Sounds quite interesting.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2012 | 10:03 AM
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Old Sep 20, 2012 | 10:17 AM
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Thanks!
 
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 11:14 AM
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Turns out the Ford coils work fine with plug wires attached to them. I had other issues.
 
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