He has 80 posts and not going to listen so let him enjoy his hassles.
He has no idea of what the system is, what it does and the importance; just how can I get around it.
The correct thing to do is fix the system back to stock so the truck runs as designed instead of trying to alter it just because of inconvience or ???.
A tuner may cost as much or more than fixing the EGR system and still not be permant if tuner were not present to keep the program inhibited from operation.
Good luck.

 

Jbrew, we put the Heli-coils in back in late 2005 through early 2006, about 70K or so miles ago, maybe more...I did learn that for some reason the truck ran worse if you unplugged the injector on the dead cylinder, which I thought was weird, I actually had to drive it about 120 miles home from college one day cause it was the last day of school for the week and there was no way I could of fixed it there...We had Ford put 8 new plugs in it after the 3rd one...Come to find out the guy that had it before us put spark plugs in it that were too short, some cheap off brand I guess, and they didn't have enough thread engagement...He put the correct Motorcrafts back in and never had another one pop out in 5 years...

Swing on down to my house here in Florida and take a look, Lufthansa has a flight coming down here every day, I just took that flight home this morning out of Frankfurt...More than welcome too any time...

Associates Degree of High Performance Motorsports Technologies from the University of Northwestern Ohio with a minor in Automotive repair...3.15 GPA

Worked for two different professional race teams and 3 amateur race teams...Built multiple engines for dirt and pavement oval, sled pulling, and drag cars...

Spent 25 of the last 28 months as a heavy armor battle vehicle mechanic in Iraq fixing multi-million dollar MRAP's and other military vehicles...

Spent the last 3 of 28 months as a light vehicle mechanic in Iraq...

I can post up the rest of my resume too if you would like...

So yes...I do know how it works...And like stated before...Come to florida and see for yourself...Or I can meet you in Penn. or WV if you would like to take a look when I drive it to Ohio...We can even take it to Ford and throw it on a scanner if your willing to pay...Why would I even lie about the truck having a tuner...If it had a damn tuner I would say so...I drove the truck almost 500 miles a week when I was going to college and when the Master Ford Tech at Hillsboro Ford (now closed) in Hillsboro Ohio plugged the thing back in after heli-coiling the head it ran like complete ****...I unplugged it and drove just fine...

 

Hey man, I am not trying to knock you or anything. I dont doubt any of your attributes listed on your resume or any of that, but if Jbrew and jerame are taking the time to send you off in the right direction then I would atleast heed their advice or direction. The chances of those two being wrong(especially when combined in forces) are minimal at best.

Could be different for your 01, but when my EGR went out on me at the beginning of last year my truck ran HORRIBLE. My truck would sputter down the highway because it was running so lean. I cant imagine what it would be like not having it on the truck at all.

I know for sure you can get the EGR tuned out. You would have to buy some kind of EGR delete kit, and I am not sure who has them. I know MKMcustoms makes them for diesels, so they might have them.. idk? You will have to have some kind of programmable tuner, that have a custom tune(with EGR delete) saved onto this programmer/tuner. Don't ask me what kind you would need.. gryphon? Xcal? Idk.

I can tell you however, that the EGR delete wont deliver any performance anything. I assume you already know this due to your car experience and I am just mentioning for others who happen to look at this thread wondering about EGR deletes. EGRs help keep the temp of your cumbustion chamber down. Now this is important for good reason, detonation. By removing the EGR your cylinder temp could go up. Depending on how radical your combo is you could start having detonation problems. I would suggest running 91 octane or better and in some cases 1 step colder plugs.

Brad

 

I never once said a tuner wouldn't "delete" it or tune it out in the computer, so I don't know why people are arguing the fact...I know it really wont help performance either, I wasn't deleting it for performance, just one less hassle to deal with on the truck when working on it, I don't remember saying I wasn't going to fix it either, I was telling everything what the truck was doing when hooked up and unhooked and some people got all butt hurt because my truck didn't do exactly what theirs did when the same part went bad...I also stated that my truck is 100 percent bone stock (the guy we bought it from bought it new and we traded a 02 extended cab short bed 2wd for it) and that we unhooked the EGR when it went bad 6 years ago and it runs fine...But I am being called an out right liar and I am trying to figure out why...

If this engine goes bad (200K) I may just yank it out and drop a carbed 460 (got one in the shed) or 351 and a 5 speed/t-case from a 90's 250/350 and get rid of all the electronic crap...It would definately make for a better truck all around...

 

Mine did still run fine when the pipe rusted off i had a check engine light that would come and go and one hell of a exhaust tick, it was when I blocked off the holes when it ran like crap

 

Mine runs fine, just has a horrible exhaust tick/leak...

 

I have a problem with why this original post was made by some one who has all that background and should know better than to ask such a question of seemingly "lesser people" on this board, then can't accept the advice which is very correct overall.
BTW, I to am very experienced in race engines, cars of many classes including supercharging, single cylinder race engines, sprint cars, midgets, stock cars and driving them, so your not that far ahead, overall.
You are displaying that typical miltiary ****yness. I've had to deal with it before from others so I recognize it when it's present..
Good luck and thank you for your service to our country.
I'm out of this thread now.

 

Lets take a step back and lay off the new member to our site. I have a question for you guys. Why can an EGR be deleted on a diesel and engine and its good thing and when some one comes in here asking if the same thing can be done to a gasser and he gets jumped on like he just insulted your mother? Has anyone in here ever done it? I would be willing to say that no one here has really put alot of thought into it other than a select few people. The OP knows he needs to a tuner to delete the computer function and CEL and stated that he does not have a tuner on the truck and it is completly stock so why not try and help him instead of attack him. And just as an FYI I would be willing to bet most members here belong to other forums and this type of thing reflects negativly on all of us when you dont listen to what is being said and jump all over a new member like they done know which end of a screw driver to use.

 

Hard to have that if I've never been in the military...I don't mess with electronic fuel injected engines much anymore, they are such a pain in the *** to work on if you don't have a scanner, especially the Mod Motors, everything I have is either carbed or is diesel with a mechanical injection pump, except my 89 Crown Vic wagon and the 01, and since the truck is running fine with none of the problems you guys have said it should have, I figured I would ask if it would be ok to just remove everything instead of spending money on replacing stuff that would not adversely effect the truck...You got mad when I told you the truck didn't have any of the problems it should of had...Not every vehicle acts the same way when a part fails...

 

You can't just remove the EGR valve without producing a DTC. That don't happen.

 

Jbrew, the OP and everyone else understands that. I have been driving my Super Duty for the last 25k with a CEL on for the EGR because its not there anymore. All the guy wants to know is if the EGR can be deleted like it can be on a diesel engine.

 

What exactly are you trying to say lol ?

Well, I posted the link for parts. Also a EGR technical within said link about the EGR program and how it's deleted.

There's another out there, -SVT has a writeup and "how to". - Which can be found easily, just google "EGR Delete.

You need to understand that what this OP states should be commented on. Specially being his thread with a correct search title. This will help everyone searching for info in the future. If you were looking for info and found this thread, you may think it was alright to hack off your EGR system without repercussions. That's not true, far from it.

Keeping it real is what helps everyone and what it's all about. Your on the wrong side.

 

^this

 

This reply is not to the original poster but to comment on Gas vs Diesel EGR differences.
The two engine families are not the same in how EGR is controlled and it's effects in malfunction.
A gas engine uses a program driven system that basicly involves changes in ignition timing, and fuel feed when the egr is opened .
The gas engine uses mass air as a means of airflow measurement.
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The Diesel uses a Speed Density PCM system for major engine control.
It does have a mass air meter but it is not used in the same way as a gas engine.
Speed Desnity uses a MAP, BAP and many other sensors to add input to EGR operation.
Speed Density system is a computer model program the engine has to follow within sensor altered limits.
This computer model was workrd out in the engine lab with versions for each application.
As well, the first EFI gas engines in 1985 were Speed Density control until about 1992 still being used in some model cars and truck before it was completly phased out for gas use.
The Diesel EGR uses a pressure feedback system in lue of a DPFE.
This overall being tbe case, the Diesel has no real throttle body because this type engine's power is mainly power controlled by the amount of fuel injected not by the amount of air 'allowed' to pass thru.
Another parameter is the compression ratio of a gas engine is greatly lower than a diesel as well as the difference in fuel used by each.
This EGR system is actually a lot more complex in operation that a gas engine.
Bottom line is you cannot compare the two types of engines for EGR block-off as this system may accept it better than a gas engine.
Why is there EGR at all?
The US EPA long ago mandated the mfgers reduce oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust.
Ford uses exhaust gas feedback into the intake to accomplish this action so it is a manditory system on any engine that cannot pass without some sort of system in place, to be legal for sale in the US.
To this end, the mfger is mandated to make the system undefeatable legally without setting failure codes as a detection to indicate failure or tampering.
There are at least 4 major codes associated with a gas engine system and many subtests to monitor the system for failure. The test results for a gas engine is as tight as 2% and is one reason this system is a 'most often fail' subject.
On a Diesel, the system has a lot of test routines and a lot of failure codes to help pin point the section in trouble.
It's NA to compare a DIESEL with a GAS engine.
For further info, go to the Motorcraft website and download the overviews of a Diesel and a Gas engine and see the differences.

 

Jbrew, I did not see the link you posted on the first page and I did not know there were sides. Buts its all good.....

Bluegrass, I am completely aware of the differences of the difference between the gas and diesels I was just using it as an example. My point is that EGR system is a useless system and it hurts performance no matter what engine platform it is on because the engine never gets a true breath of fresh air because of this system.