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Old Oct 4, 2009 | 04:31 PM
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I can verify ford using an impact to put on the oil filter at the factory. I work at NTB and did an oil change for a guy with an 09 Expedtion. It took alot to get this filter off. Never again, took me 15 min to get this dang filter off.
They use an Impact lol ? Or was that a figure of speech ? Yea, I know their a PITA first time around.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2009 | 04:43 PM
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I can verify ford using an impact to put on the oil filter at the factory. I work at NTB and did an oil change for a guy with an 09 Expedtion. It took alot to get this filter off. Never again, took me 15 min to get this dang filter off.
Impacts are not used to install the oil filter at the engine plant, as you can see by the photo below of the filter installer.

 
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Old Oct 4, 2009 | 05:00 PM
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Darren, nobody is saying that synthetic is not safe - they are just saying it's not necessary and it's going to cost you more.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2009 | 05:27 PM
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They only time going Fully Synthetic can be dangerous is when upgrading in higher mileage engines.
Engines brought up on Mineral and Semi-synthetic grades can have a certain amount of sludge build up in crankcase and elsewhere. Full Synthetic has a higher cleaning attribute which may break to much free at one time compromising other internal areas.
You can still switch,- if you feel the need, but you should flush the crank-case first.

It's allot easier and cheaper sticking with the recommended Motorcraft oil IMO. She's plenty protected
 
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Old Oct 4, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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Mobil 1 will be used on the first oil change.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2009 | 09:12 PM
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i find it easy to get the first filter off, take a 3/8" ratchet, about a 12" extension, and a oil filter tool called a spider http://ultralightsparkplugs.com/prod.../11/2507-1.jpg
 
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Old Oct 4, 2009 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlackPearl
Mobil 1 will be used on the first oil change.
Good luck with that, -To much bologna and controversy from the past for that manufacturer, -that would make Mobil 1 the worst possible choice IMO. Their oil has tested bad, that might not be the oil your purchasing, but it's a the simple fact that some of their oil has. I wouldn't chance a $30,000 (or so) investment on it, - specially when there's no reason for it.

You going to run Fram filters as well?
 
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Old Oct 4, 2009 | 11:45 PM
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fram ftw
 
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 12:38 AM
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fram ftw
Fram FTL big time. WiX FTW!!!! and either redline or amsoil 0-20 or 5-20 full synthetic FTW.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 01:06 AM
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The Mobil 1 EP is a quality oil - the only Mobil 1 that's under question is the standard grade 5W30.

The GP 3 synthetics don't cause problems in high mileage engines - its the PAO's. Those you have to be careful with.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBlackPearl
Mobil 1 will be used on the first oil change.
Make sure it is the EP version. If not skip it and use the Motorcraft blend and save some cash.
 
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 01:17 PM
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BS. You can use full synthetic as long as it meets Ford specs. 5W20 is the correct grade. However, don't switch to it till your SECOND oil change. Have the DEALER do the first change with standard Motorcraft 5W20 semi-synthetic, then after that, do what you want. Reason for having the dealer do the first change? Ford uses some gorilla named Bubba with an impact wrench to screw the oil filters on at the factory. It's very difficult to remove.
There's no need to wait until the second change to switch to synthetic. I switched mine at 500 miles and have had no troubles out of her. Now that may have been true back in the day when it took a while for engines to break in, but todays engines are pretty much set from the factory.
 
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 02:32 PM
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That's not the reason I suggested to wait till the 2nd change - the reason is that you should use the dealer for the first change due to the filter issue. No reason to try to get the dealer to use anything but their standard oil.
 
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by glc
Darren, nobody is saying that synthetic is not safe - they are just saying it's not necessary and it's going to cost you more.
Originally Posted by jbrew
They only time going Fully Synthetic can be dangerous is when upgrading in higher mileage engines.
Engines brought up on Mineral and Semi-synthetic grades can have a certain amount of sludge build up in crankcase and elsewhere. Full Synthetic has a higher cleaning attribute which may break to much free at one time compromising other internal areas.
You can still switch,- if you feel the need, but you should flush the crank-case first.

It's allot easier and cheaper sticking with the recommended Motorcraft oil IMO. She's plenty protected
Thanks for clearing things up for me guys
 
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 05:16 PM
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That's not the reason I suggested to wait till the 2nd change - the reason is that you should use the dealer for the first change due to the filter issue. No reason to try to get the dealer to use anything but their standard oil.
Ah ok, my mistake. I bet they don't put oil on the filter gasket, its not that they crank it down-its just on there dry.
 
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