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cheezeonmakneez 04-03-2009 08:32 PM

Help with CEL please
 
Ok I have two codes coming up on my 97 with the 5.4. p0171 and p0174.
fuel bank 1 and 2 too lean. I cant figure this out at all. I have replaced the MAF sensor, fuel filter and spark plugs. all cylinders are firing ( unplugged each coil while it was running) and it still runs like its missing a cylinder. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks in advance

Matts ford 04-03-2009 09:01 PM

check for a vacuum leak. especially the pcv elbow on the back of the intake. they are the most common reason for those codes.

05crewzer 04-03-2009 09:03 PM

https://www.f150online.com/forums/v8...ions-list.html

check this thread. gives you a little info that might be helpfull also.

cheezeonmakneez 04-03-2009 09:11 PM

Thanks alot. I'll pull it back into the garage tomorrow and see what I can come up with.

Matts ford 04-03-2009 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by 05crewzer (Post 3668015)
https://www.f150online.com/forums/v8...ions-list.html

check this thread. gives you a little info that might be helpfull also.

you actually had enough patience to read all that? i opened it and just said no and clicked out of it:lol:

05crewzer 04-03-2009 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by Matts ford (Post 3668033)
you actually had enough patience to read all that? i opened it and just said no and clicked out of it:lol:

thats funny because i didnt read any further that po171......... and remembered that when this post came up. it didnt affect me so i past it.

but i knew it would help someone with problems with the same code. so heres my good deed for the day:beers:

hoped that helped you cheezy.

cheezeonmakneez 04-03-2009 10:19 PM


Originally Posted by 05crewzer (Post 3668125)
thats funny because i didnt read any further that po171......... and remembered that when this post came up. it didnt affect me so i past it.

but i knew it would help someone with problems with the same code. so heres my good deed for the day:beers:

hoped that helped you cheezy.

yeah me too. I'll find out tomorrow. Thanks again guys.

jbrew 04-03-2009 10:29 PM

When both banks test positive for lean, the most common problem is pin-holes or a tear in the PCV elbow that connects to the manifold back by the firewall.

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cheezeonmakneez 04-03-2009 10:42 PM

awsome, thanks a bunch.

05crewzer 04-03-2009 10:55 PM

kinda think jbrew knows what hes talking about. i would check that first

cheezeonmakneez 04-03-2009 11:03 PM


Originally Posted by 05crewzer (Post 3668206)
kinda think jbrew knows what hes talking about. i would check that first

thats what I have planned for the morning.

jbrew 04-03-2009 11:12 PM

Yea, service says to clean the MAF first, but it's usually the elbow. I would do both, - Clean the MAF if you haven't already and check the elbow. Any leaks in both PCV system and Air Intake system cause unmetered air. The PCM sees as lean resulting in the 71 and 74 DTC's.

There's other problems that could cause these codes - Like a dirty fuel filter or failing fuel pump, but it's usually the first one mentioned.

cheezeonmakneez 04-03-2009 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by jbrew (Post 3668239)
Yea, service says to clean the MAF first, but it's usually the elbow. I would do both, - Clean the MAF if you haven't already and check the elbow. Any leaks in both PCV system and Air Intake system cause unmetered air. The PCM sees as lean resulting in the 71 and 74 DTC's.

There's other problems that could cause these codes - Like a dirty fuel filter or failing fuel pump, but it's usually the first one mentioned.

well I just put a new MAF sensor and fuel filter on over this last week. I'm hoping to find vac leak.

glc 04-04-2009 12:35 PM

Aftermarket MAF may not have the right calibration.

jbrew 04-04-2009 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by cheezeonmakneez (Post 3668255)
well I just put a new MAF sensor and fuel filter on over this last week. I'm hoping to find vac leak.

What is she idling at ? Above 750 RPM's ? Is it loopy ?


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