Shimmy Shake Shake
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Shimmy Shake Shake
I just lifted my 2000 F150 Extra Cab, 7.5 inches with a Fabtech kit. 33.5's on 16" rims. Leveling blocks in the rear came with the kit. I noticed a shimmy in the rear at 45 and 65 MPH. I asked the dealer whom I bought my new rims and tires from to check the balance of the rears. They did and said that they are true. To get to the root of the problem, I rotated them front to back and vice versa. Still got the shimmy! Rules out the tires and rims due to my steering wheel being dead solid with no vibration. Now, I have noticed and have heard the pinion angle on the rear end actually shift upwards or downwards slightly depending how Im facing on a slope. I know this is not good and am assuming that this is related or causing the shimmy. Is my problem due to weak leaf springs and would helper springs fix the problem?
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i have never run into leafs causing my shimmy issue. however shocks, and wore out tierods up front have. give the front a shake down (been aligned recently?) i had noticed my RF cupping. i gave it a few adjustments with the eyeballs and a level and i noticed my shimmy had gone away for a while. i have wore inner tie rods.
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take a pic of your pinion angle and post it up so i can see it.
Your allowed 1* of tolerance either direction before shims would be needed.
Have you checked the drive shaft bolts to make sure there tight.
Have you had the drive shaft rebalanced? Could have slung a weight off which would cause a rear shimmy.
I just noticed that you just installed the kit. Did you install the driveshaft spacer, If not then the driveshaft is to short and needs to be lengthened, It's eating up your output shaft bushing and seal
Your allowed 1* of tolerance either direction before shims would be needed.
Have you checked the drive shaft bolts to make sure there tight.
Have you had the drive shaft rebalanced? Could have slung a weight off which would cause a rear shimmy.
I just noticed that you just installed the kit. Did you install the driveshaft spacer, If not then the driveshaft is to short and needs to be lengthened, It's eating up your output shaft bushing and seal
Last edited by slowRunner; 02-28-2008 at 09:15 AM.
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Originally Posted by Klitch
i have never run into leafs causing my shimmy issue. however shocks, and wore out tierods up front have. give the front a shake down (been aligned recently?) i had noticed my RF cupping. i gave it a few adjustments with the eyeballs and a level and i noticed my shimmy had gone away for a while. i have wore inner tie rods.
slowrunner, thanks for the input. I have not done these things. Ill take a picture of the pinion. Also, I did notice that my drive shaft is "pulled" out a bit from the tranny. The only thing is, wouldnt Fabtech tell us that we needed a driveshaft extender? Ill check the drive shaft bolts also.
One thing that I do remember is that when I was messing with the rear end, it accidentally came off the jack that I had holding it up. So for about a minute the rear end was hanging off the end of the driveshaft!!!! The reason it hung was due to me not removing the middle crossmember yet, so the driveshaft was hanging on that and had the rear end on its end. Couldnt that have bent the driveshaft slightly?
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If that is the factory aluminum driveshaft then yep that rear axle weight got yea.
Those axles weigh alote for that drive shaft to hold up, heck even a steel shaft would have been knocked out of balance.
As for the space at the front of the driveshaft at the yoke, the rule of thumb is there should be know more than 1" of visible yoke showing.
Those axles weigh alote for that drive shaft to hold up, heck even a steel shaft would have been knocked out of balance.
As for the space at the front of the driveshaft at the yoke, the rule of thumb is there should be know more than 1" of visible yoke showing.
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Ok, I have pics and they dont look good
yolk spacing
Notice the tranny fluid dripping out.
How's the pinion angle look? This is with the truck setting at a very slight pitch. To the right is the higher pitch of driveway.
yolk spacing
Notice the tranny fluid dripping out.
How's the pinion angle look? This is with the truck setting at a very slight pitch. To the right is the higher pitch of driveway.
Last edited by dusty215; 04-19-2009 at 09:44 PM. Reason: Photos moved on server
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Your pinion angle does not look bad, BUT your driveshaft is to short, and that trans fluid in the pic hanging from the output shaft housing and all over the exhaust pipe is a bad output shaft seal, more than likely caused by the drivshaft being to short and not fitting inside the bushing far enough, hopfully it has not damaged your Bushing yet.
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As for the Drive shaft spacer, I thought all Fabtech kits 6" and over came with them, especially on a 7.5" lift, i would call fabtech, they have the spacer.
The output shaft seal would cost $150 here where i live, and i don't know how much the bushing would cost, I do know that the output shaft housing has to be removed and the old bushing pulled out and the new one pressed in. The seal is easier, take the drive shaft off, take a flat head screw driver and wedge the seal out carefully so that you don't damage the seal seat, Then just tap the new one in working in a clock wise motion around the seal until it is all the way in.
The output shaft seal would cost $150 here where i live, and i don't know how much the bushing would cost, I do know that the output shaft housing has to be removed and the old bushing pulled out and the new one pressed in. The seal is easier, take the drive shaft off, take a flat head screw driver and wedge the seal out carefully so that you don't damage the seal seat, Then just tap the new one in working in a clock wise motion around the seal until it is all the way in.
Last edited by slowRunner; 03-01-2008 at 07:11 PM.
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Well, I talked with a Fabtech Technician and he said that he has the same truck. He told me that the reason that a driveshaft spacer was not included in the kit was because with the 7.5 inch lift, a spacer is not needed. He said that with the spacer, the problem gets worse. I dont understand how. He says that more than likely, the leakage is due to the mileage of the vehicle and not the lift. He also said that he has a Ford with the same year and he had the same problem with the output shaft seal. Is this guy lying to me?
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Originally Posted by dusty215
Well, I talked with a Fabtech Technician and he said that he has the same truck. He told me that the reason that a driveshaft spacer was not included in the kit was because with the 7.5 inch lift, a spacer is not needed. He said that with the spacer, the problem gets worse. I dont understand how. He says that more than likely, the leakage is due to the mileage of the vehicle and not the lift. He also said that he has a Ford with the same year and he had the same problem with the output shaft seal. Is this guy lying to me?
Yea he is, As you add lift to the rear of the truck, the driveshaft is pulled out of the output shaft housing, the higher the lift the more its pulled out, Its like 1/4" for every 1.5" of lift. once the drivshaft is slipped out far enough, the yoke will not be inside the bushing or worse is going in and out of the bushing as the suspension moves up and down which would damage the bushing, Hense the reason for the spacer, its used to put the driveshaft back into the housing at factory specs.