What's The Big Deal About The "SuperCrew"?
 

Ok, don't anyone take me the wrong way, I just have a couple questions...

For all of you who have gone out and bought the new SuperCrew or at least plan to why didn't/don't you invest your money more wisely and just get a Superduty Crew Cab? I have gone to a few of the local dealerships and looked at the SuperCrew's, and yes, they look okay I suppose, but I have not yet found one that is reasonably priced! I think they are all way overpriced. I bought my new 2-wheel drive 2000 F-250 Superduty XLT Crew Cab for $26,500. Had I not opted for the long bed, 6.8 liter V-10, and trailer tow mirrors I could have gotten my truck for $24,000. All of the 2-wheel drive SuperCrews I have seen thus far have been priced over $24,000. Do you guys not realize how much "truck for your buck" you get with the Superduty line?

I don't understand the reasoning behind the whole 4-foot bed idea. It seems as many auto manufacturers are resorting to this ugly fad following the Nissan Frontier. If the Ford SuperCrew had a standard six-foot bed it might be worth a look. The whole "bed extender" idea is also just another way for companies to milk money from consumers. I'm sure we have all seen those pickups running around with a nice bid dent in the TOP of the tailgate...why?? Because their driver's wanted to be cool and drive with the tailgate down. Them poles do a lot more damage to a tailgate then they would a bumper don't they? I suppose we will soon see a lot of SuperCrews (and Frontiers) with bent up tailgates on the road before too long.

Anyhow, back to the main point...Why buy a SuperCrew when for almost the same price you can get a Crew Cab Superduty? The "beefier" look and bold stance of the Ford Superduty sure makes it a better choice!


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[This message has been edited by Truckin4 (edited 05-06-2000).]

I thought the same thing when I started looking. More truck, same, or less money. What changed my mind about the superduty was, I need the cab space for the family and I am limited on garage space. I think it will be easier for parking as well as in traffic. The mileage should be better, as well as resale. For a few years anyway. The SuperCrew will be better for me, if I ever get it. Just my opinion.


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Supercrew on the way.

[This message has been edited by Thad (edited 05-05-2000).]

truckin4,

although we've kicked this around before, thanks for the oppurtunity to offer my opinion.

the whole purpose of the new "four-door shorter bed" concept is...1) offer more interior room for passengers, 2) provide a usable bed, and 3) to do so on the existing 139" wheelbase thus creating a more user friendly alternative to a traditional crewcab.

i'll break that down but first let me address why i did not go with a superduty. personally, i like the superduty look equally to the 150. but i don't need a 3/4 or 1 ton, and i don't need a V-10. are they pretty close in price. sure they are. however, folks aren't looking at the big picture, i.e. options. the supercrew price seems like a lot, but take a look at the standard equipment. there's not much to offer in the way of options because a lot of traditional "options" are standard. combine that with the fact it's a new vehicle and yes, at the dealership there are some hefty prices. i'm sure when they are plentiful you will see better deals at the lot. that's the case with all new entries.

1) i have two kids. to date, unless i went to a 250/350, the best thing offered was an extended cab which isn't fun with growing kids on long journeys. are there other vehicles (mini-van) that would be more logical for families. NO, i'm a truck dude.

2) i have two dogs. with bed extender installed and flipped into the bed, my crates fit nicely against the cab. my wife and i are dog trainers and wherever we go, they go. on a yearly percentage scale i might haul something that would require a 6.5 or 8 foot bed 2% of the time. and that's probably a little generous. as for the other 98%, i probably spend 50% on my own and 48% with family or friends. footnote: the supercrew bed is 5.5 ft not 4.5.

3) honestly a 139" wheelbase can be challenging enough in most parking lots. and although it doesn't effect me, for some garage space is an issue.

bottom line it's personal choice isn't it. i think you have a great truck. if i could afford two fords, i'd have one of each. what sold me is i have the best of both worlds which isn't to say i can carry as many passengers as a three seat expedition, or that i can haul as much as a 250/350. but what i do have is the ability to chauffer my family (not to mention the four co-workers that love riding in my truck) and usable space for my dogs and gear in back. and for my lifestyle i can do both without compromise.

hey, i was just curious, are your superduty co-hearts posting pics of their trucks in the superduty forum. personnally, i never go in there trying to promote the supercrew.

the only other thing i'd like to throw out there is pricing. alot of guys throw up these low prices but always fail to specify if it's two or four wheel drive. after looking at your pics (nice truck!) i noticed it was two wheel, however, you lifted it to obtain a four wheel look. how much did that cost? https://www.f150online.com/f150board/smile.gif

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[This message has been edited by USAF K9 (edited 05-05-2000).]

I guess the tailgate on a 250/350 is dent proof! Or, could it be that you forgot that your took yours off in an attemp to get better gas mileage from the V10? I think it's all about personal preference. You see, it's like this. If I was going to buy a 250/350, I would have purchased the diesel instead of a gas for obvious reasons. You stated you paid extra for towing mirrors so you must tow right? As far as the bed goes, I find the trade off in length is woth the gain in tighter turning. Besides, I have a trailer for towing large loads that wouldn't fit in the bed. I also have a dually to pull it with......with DIESEL power I might add!

Thad,
Good enough explanation for me! Your logic sounds reasonable and you do have a point about the limited garage space and traffic. My Crew Cab long bed can be difficult to park in small lots sometimes but a short bed Superduty would be easier. Just how much longer is a Superduty Crew Cab short bed than a Supercrew?...Can't be that much can it? Also, thanks for the "SMART-ASS FREE" reply. It seems as you were the only person who read the first line of my original post.


USAF K9,
I took a close look at the Ford website because I wanted to see all these standard features you claimed justified the reason a Supercrew cost just as much as a Superduty Crew Cab. What I found is that with the XLT trim level the only additions the Supercrew has that the Superduty doesn't is

1)Power adjustable pedals (Superduty's will have this for 2001).
2)Rear child seat tether anchors.
3)Overhead console (You can have your console...and I'll have my LCD flip-down TV screen https://www.f150online.com/f150board/smile.gif ).
4)4-wheel ABS (XLT Superduty's have 2-wheel ABS standard, and 4-wheel ABS is optional).

So do these four standard equipment items make up for the high price of the Supercrew...I personally don't think so!

As far as failing to mention I had a 2-wheel drive in the original post...it was an item overlooked. To make all happy, I have edited the message and included this information. Living in South Carolina I had no use for a 4x4. Predicted reliablity of a 4x4 has a far lower rating than that of 4x2's, and I read somewhere that 90% of tranfer cases of 4x4's are never engaged, which would have been the case with me if I had opted for it. I do, however like the stance and ride height of a 4x4, so yes, I did lift mine a bit. Lifting it cost far less than the 4x4 option and I have superb ride quality that cannot be accomplished with a 4x4 Superduty (solid axle).

With all that said, thanks for the compliment on my truck.


D.Kolb,
No, as far as I know the tailgate of a Superduty isn't dent proof...that's why I'd never drive with it down (like you have a choice with a bed extender). As a side note, do you have any idea what will happen to the BED of your truck of you are rear-ended with the tailgate down? Too bad you can't get a bumper extender with your bed extender.

Do you think all Superduty's with trailer tow mirrors tow? The optional trailer tow mirrors (in case you don't know) have two mirrors. The lower one is a very sleek blind spot mirror, which is a must with a crew cab long bed. You see, with the standard mirror, any truck of this length will have a blind spot large enough to hide a mid-size car (maybe even a Supercrew). Therefore, I ordered my trailer tow mirrors not because I tow, but for SAFETY.

Yes, DIESEL power is great if you tow and plan on keeping your truck for 400,000 miles. Now that you know I don't tow, another reason for not spending an additional $4500 for a diesel is that because of the cost of the option combined with the higher maintenance cost, I would have to drive my truck approximately 120,000 miles before I'd BREAK EVEN! Certainly not worth the stink and the noise to me.


Thanks again, Thad, for the reply I was looking for.

Truckin4 (14MPG and lovin' every minute of it!)


[This message has been edited by Truckin4 (edited 05-06-2000).]

My two cents? I wanted a truck with enough space for my bird dogs, while also being able to haul a bunch of hunting, fishing, and/or diving buddies around (preferably bikini-clad ones...I'm from Hawaii). I don't need to tow heavy equipment or a large horse/cattle trailer like some of my contractor/rancher friends, and at the same time, I needed a truck that could be at least somewhat capable off road. Nobody uses a 250/350 in our slick clay & mud, sharp volcanic rock, or soft white sand!!!

Also, the bed length doesn't concern me much, and yes, my truck will include a bed extender. Hey- It'll be a BIG step up from my Isuzu Amigo or my old Nissan Hardbody! I'm keeping the Amigo, though. With the 5.55 limited slip diff, 10" wide rims, 2" suspension lift + 3" body lift, 32x11.50s, and front and rear winches, it goes anywhere!
With my kennels in the rear, though, I only have room for one babe in the passenger seat. https://www.f150online.com/f150board/frown.gif

I wouldn't think there would be too many uses for a Superduty in Hawaii. I lived in Hawaii for three years, on the big island in Hilo. Superduty's don't like sand anyway...they're too damn heavy!

My main reason....parking spaces in california suck! A superduty fits just fine at the local feed store or honky tonk. But when you gotta take the lady to the mall you want to be able to park on the mall property. All the dern spaces in Southern California have "COMPACT" painted just behind the bumper of each and every honda and toyota that uses them. A superduty will fit nicely in four spaces, at the far end of any lot.

I loved the Superduty before I began hearing about the Supercrew. One plus for the Superduty right now- dealers around here are knocking the prices on them beasts by thousands of dollars to make room for (what else)..... more supercrews. :-)

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truckin4,

i don't understand why superduty owners are coming in the supercrew forum to justify their choice in trucks? if a supercrew owner is in the superduty forum stirring the pot, please advise. we can all gang up on 'em https://www.f150online.com/f150board/smile.gif

having said that, i took a look at the superduty months back. to the best of my memory the 2000 XLT 4x4 was about $900 more (for the equivalent of what i ordered) absent the things you mentioned above.

but that's not what sold me. what sold me was FORD created a vehicle that fit my personal lifestyle and taste.

i'm sure we could find other differences but to me it's a mute point. this is FORD country! isn't it great to have over 40 configurations to chose from.

[This message has been edited by USAF K9 (edited 05-07-2000).]

I know this thread isn't goin away so I'll throw in these stats. Both 4-door, Short bed, 4x4. Apples to Apples

SUPERCREW - SUPERDUTY

LENGTH - 227.5 - 241.4
WIDTH - 79.7 - 80.0
HEIGHT - 74.5 - 80.8
TURN RAD- 45.9 - 56.6


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[This message has been edited by EvilleSuperCrew (edited 05-07-2000).]

USAF K9,
I didn't overlook your statement "it's personal choice." If that had been all you said it would have been the end of it but yet you insisted on bringing out smart-ass remarks. Human instinct is to react back with the same so you asked for it.

I am not reading/posting in the Supercrew section to, as you put it, "justify my truck" nor am I "insecure"...which was a statement that made no sense anyhow.

Yes, this is "FORD country." I enjoy browsing all of the forums...I don't post much outside of the Superduty forum, but every now and again I might, like I did here. All it began with was a simple question, and yes, I got a few good answers. Unfortunately yours wasn't one of them. Actually, if it hadn't been for the responses of you and D.Kolb this would have turned out to be an interesting and informative thread.

BTW, Superduty's have 4 wheel disc brakes as well.


EvilleSupercrew,
Thanks for the dimensions! I really didn't think a Superduty SB Crew was a whole 14 inches longer. I do believe that the length measurement for the Superduty does NOT include the rear bumper. Do you know if the bumper is included in the Supercrew figure? Thx again.


Truckin4(X2) - (Cruising along at 14MPG with the smooth ride of 2-wheel drive https://www.f150online.com/f150board/wink.gif)

truckin,

simutaneously with your response, i modified mine. yes, there were smart-ass comments, and yes that's why i changed it. can't we all just get along https://www.f150online.com/f150board/smile.gif

didn't realize the superduty had discs all the way around. thanks for educating us.

Truckin

Got the dimensions from Edmunds.com, don't know if it includes bumpers, and I cannot go to the garage and measure cause there's a big empty spot there waiting for my Supercrew to be built! I have a neighbor with a Superduty so I knew it was alot longer (his Superduty doesn't sleep in the garage) but the difference in turning radius was more than I thought. Major advantage for the kind of driving I do.

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Ordered 4/21.Build date 5/22 Wedgewood Blue, Lariat. Med Graphite interior. 5.4, 4x4 L/S
6 Disc CD, Bed Extender, Skid Plates, Moonroof, Tow Group

YIKES!! Ease up there cowboys,throw those 6 shooters back in the holsters. I haven't heard anyone mention ride quality. I work in the construction industry and drive 3/4 & 1 tons all the time. These trucks drive no where near as smooth as my 1/2 ton s.crew. After working all day with the superduty, my back and body doesn't want to put up with the stiffer suspension. As far as parking, forget about it. The superduty will turn circles around the s.crew, but that's only because it can't turn any sharper.(just kidding, couldn't help it ). Really, it takes much more input to park the superduty over the s.crew. With my wife driving and parking (it could happen some day)I want the truck as nimble as possible.
I'm sorry I've gone on too long.
In closing, Superduty; great truck
Supercrew; "greater" truck for me!

[This message has been edited by woody24 (edited 10-14-2000).]

I researched both trucks alot before I made a choice.What I found was the superduty is a better buy as far as money goes, but availibility is very low and 4 to 7 months order time.I didn't need the 250 but the comparible price interested me. I ended up with the supercrew, which I'm very happy with, but I do think it is a bit overpriced compared to the 250. My thoughts

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