Plugging PCV valve at intake

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Old 08-18-1999, 08:32 PM
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Question Plugging PCV valve at intake

This guy was telling me that you can remove the tubing running from the pcv valve to the intake and plug it at the intake. Then install an air filter in line to the PCV valve. He said that this keeps the PCV valve from robbing air from the intake and is supposed to add a few horses. Has anyone ever done this or heard of doing this? Just wanted to know.

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Old 08-19-1999, 10:57 AM
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I think the PCV robs nothing from the intake. It is supposed to recycle some of the exhaust gas back through the intake to burn more of the junk out of the exhaust so you end up with a cleaner burning engine.

You may also have trouble passing a smog test with that type of mod including it is illegal to modify/remove smog devices.

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Old 08-19-1999, 03:01 PM
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I agree with most of what Indyfan said, you aren't going to gain any performance by plugging the PCV valve and you will lose crankcase ventilation and fumes will get out to the atmosphere. But I think the main reason for PCV is to prevent the blowby and oil fumes from making a sludgy, slimey mess in your oil pan.

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Old 08-19-1999, 03:43 PM
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Thanks guys. I was just wondering, you know always looking for something.

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Old 08-19-1999, 09:34 PM
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HI!... PCV- stands for POLLUTION CONTROL VALVE.

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Old 08-20-1999, 12:36 AM
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PCV stands for Positive Crankcase Ventilation (which should make the rest of this explanation redundant, but I'll do it anyway). During the compression stroke some of the air/fuel mixture gets by the rings (called blowby), it ends up in the crankcase where it mixes with fumes from the hot oil. To avoid building up pressure in the crankcase and blowing seals these fumes are sucked out by the intake vacuum through the PCV valve and re-burned, this also avoids releasing these fumes into the atmosphere. The PCV valve only allows air to flow in one direction, so it won't "rob" anything from the intake side.
I hope this helps, please feel free to correct me where I'm wrong.

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Old 08-20-1999, 12:45 AM
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Sorry Neal:
"PCV" is an abbreviation for "positive crankcase ventilation". I certainly would NOT advise bypassing, or otherwise disconnecting it. A fellow I knew [not very well] in the Army years ago tried plugging the PCV in his Camaro, because his buddies had told him it was worth several hp. Several days later, I saw him in the base auto-hobby shop. One of the valve covers had "ballooned" a bit,apparently because the blowby gases had nowhere to go [he didn't see any hp increase, either].
 
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Old 08-21-1999, 11:02 PM
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Since there is litte vacuum in the intake manifold at WOT the PCV valve is not operating anyway.
PCV only operates when there is a partial vacuum in the intake manifold. (most of twe time)
Aside from pollution control it also helps the oil last longer and reduces sludge for the reason that 4DThunder gives below.

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HI!... JERRY I don't know what they call a PCV where you are from , but here in CANADA it is known as a POLLUTION CONTROL VALVE. I used to be a mechanic and my brother is still one and we both learned in school that a PCV is a pollution control valve. Either way what we call it, it still does the same function.

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Old 08-22-1999, 07:12 AM
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When pistons move up and down they also move air/gases with them. When they move up it is a compression stroke, when they move down they also move air/gases only this time they would be compressing they oil pan/crank area so this area has to be vented, hence "positive crank ventilation" or PCV. These valves have been on engines since before any greenpeace demonstrator was born.Correction:They started installing them in the mid-60's, before that they had breathers on the valve cover.

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JJHarris - and others
Say guys, we may not like the things that are done to the motors in our trucks but one thing is for sure. The manufacturers have a full time staff who design these systems all day long and I have to believe they know more about it than I do. Disconnecting one of these systems such as the PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation) will probably cause one or more of the other systems in the truck not to function as designed. There are many systems that must work together to get the end result. If you throw it out of balance, you're just asking for a problem. I too wish we could go back to the days when there was just one fan belt going around the alternator and you could actually see the valve covers.

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Old 09-09-1999, 09:50 AM
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I know for a fact when this thing gets plugged up naturaly (from not changing it regularly or cleaning it) that oil leaks from everywhere. So it must not be a good idea to plug it deliberately.
 
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Old 09-11-1999, 12:47 AM
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As a Canuck, I've heard it called both. From what I know about engines, having torn down a few, I wouldn't mess with the PCV valve. I'd rather burn those gases than send them up into the atmosphere for my kids to breath.

Better plan is to work the intake (keep swapping the filter or add K&N or similar) and SuperChip it if you want more speed. And use high-test gas and add 5 lbs to your tires. Helluva difference.

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