Transmission Pan
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Transmission Pan
I'm getting ready to put the Ford 4x4 pan in. I read in the search that you need to buy a pan part # F81Z7A194BA, and a filter part number F6TZ7A098BB. Is this correct? Is it true that this is just a straight replacement or will I need to do some "modification" to make the filter fit into the pan?
I plan on taking the parts to shop to have this done so they can pump the old oil out of the converter. That's why I want to be sure no modifications are needed.
TIA
BC
I plan on taking the parts to shop to have this done so they can pump the old oil out of the converter. That's why I want to be sure no modifications are needed.
TIA
BC
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This is off my Reciept from dealer.
You are on right track
4x4 trans Oil Pan F81Z-7A194-BA $22.50
filter YC3Z-7A098-BA $1.88
Mercon R V Aut XT-5-qm $3.25 qt x 6 19.50
gasket f6tz-7a191-a $25.66
Doug
You are on right track
4x4 trans Oil Pan F81Z-7A194-BA $22.50
filter YC3Z-7A098-BA $1.88
Mercon R V Aut XT-5-qm $3.25 qt x 6 19.50
gasket f6tz-7a191-a $25.66
Doug
Last edited by Silver_2000; Jul 4, 2001 at 03:57 AM.
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Mercon V?
Hey I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if your dealer really put in Mercon V trans fluid, well..., that was a mistake.
It is supposed to be Mercon, not Mercon V. To the best of my knowledge, Mercon V is correct for the 4R70 in regular F150's, but not the 4R100 in the Lightning (and some other models, 7700 payload I think). I'm not sure what the consequences will be, maybe a transmission expert will chime in here.
In any case, I'd get it back to the dealer, make them put in the correct trans fluid, and give them an a** chewing for not knowing their products.
BTW, the lightning FAQ linked by this site is also incorrectly stating that Mercon V is the correct fluid.
It is supposed to be Mercon, not Mercon V. To the best of my knowledge, Mercon V is correct for the 4R70 in regular F150's, but not the 4R100 in the Lightning (and some other models, 7700 payload I think). I'm not sure what the consequences will be, maybe a transmission expert will chime in here.
In any case, I'd get it back to the dealer, make them put in the correct trans fluid, and give them an a** chewing for not knowing their products.
BTW, the lightning FAQ linked by this site is also incorrectly stating that Mercon V is the correct fluid.
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Mracer
If I [I]"give them an a** chewing for not knowing their products"[ /I]
What will I base my arguments on ? What some guy on the Internet said .....
In a quick search here there are references to Mercon, Mercon III, Mercon IV, and Mercon V and royal purple.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ghlight=mercon
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ghlight=mercon
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ghlight=mercon
The dipstick says Mercon, the 99 SVT Supp to the owners manual for a 2000 Truck says use what is on the dipstick because Mercon and Mercon V are Not interchangeable and dont mix them.
Ford built the truck. They are warranteeing the transmission. If they put the wrong stuff in it I get a new transmission. Seems pretty simple to me. BUT if I have to decide who to trust the dealer or an anonymous tip from the internet... at 2:30 am I will trust the dealer for now...
No offense meant
Doug
If I [I]"give them an a** chewing for not knowing their products"[ /I]
What will I base my arguments on ? What some guy on the Internet said .....
In a quick search here there are references to Mercon, Mercon III, Mercon IV, and Mercon V and royal purple.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ghlight=mercon
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ghlight=mercon
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ghlight=mercon
The dipstick says Mercon, the 99 SVT Supp to the owners manual for a 2000 Truck says use what is on the dipstick because Mercon and Mercon V are Not interchangeable and dont mix them.
Ford built the truck. They are warranteeing the transmission. If they put the wrong stuff in it I get a new transmission. Seems pretty simple to me. BUT if I have to decide who to trust the dealer or an anonymous tip from the internet... at 2:30 am I will trust the dealer for now...
No offense meant
Doug
Last edited by Silver_2000; Jul 4, 2001 at 03:47 AM.
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maybe I'm confused, but.....
Doug, your first post said that the dealer put in Mercon 5 right? then the other guy (mracer) said that this was a mistake. He is right by the way. then in your next post you said yourself that your dipstick says use Mercon fluid (this means NOT mercon 5). It seems to me that you just answered the question.
If I "give them an a** chewing for not knowing their products" What will I base my arguments on ? What some guy on the Internet said .....
No, you would base your arguement on the fact that your dipstick calls for Mercon Fluid, not MERCON 5 fluid. Also your owners manual will verify this.
The dipstick says Mercon, the 99 SVT Supp to the owners manual for a 2000 Truck says use what is on the dipstick because Mercon and Mercon V are Not interchangeable and dont mix them.
I believe that this is PRECISELY what MRACER was trying to warn you about. Your truck takes Mercon, not Mercon 5. the dealership only carries two types of Mercon fluid, one is 5, the other isn't. Ford transmissions that require Mercon 5 will have it clearly printed on the handle end of the dipstick, or stamped into the metal at the fluid end of the dipstick. like you said yours just says Mercon (not Merc 5).
Ford built the truck. They are warranteeing the transmission. If they put the wrong stuff in it I get a new transmission. Seems pretty simple to me. BUT if I have to decide who to trust the dealer or an anonymous tip from the internet... at 2:30 am I will trust the dealer for now...
Yes, Ford built the truck, Your local dealer however did not build the truck. In either case people make mistakes. if you got Mercon 5 somebody sold you the wrong fluid. Yes Ford is going to warranty your transmission, but I can pretty much assure that you WILL NOT get a new transmission. you will get a rebuild of your unit or you will get a remanufactured unit, not a NEW transmission. I only say this because of the dim view most of the people on this board have of going to the dealership at all, much less having such a major repair made on their L. Besides that, I hardly think that you really want to have your L torn down for transmission repairs if you can avoid it. By the way, the tranny guy on my team put a "reman" tranny in a 2000 model Harley Davidson truck last Friday and upon startup it promptly puked nearly all of it's 16 or however many quarts of fluid out from around the converter (the converter that came already installed in the trans from the rebuilders). like you said it is pretty simple. there now you have two anonymous tips from the internet to go by
having said all that, I'm not convinced that the Mercon 5 will hurt your transmission. I have never personally seen a transmission fail due to mixing or interchanging Mercon & Mercon 5. In fact there used to be a TSB around 96-98 alot of Crown Vitorias with AODE transmissions suffered from torque converter shudder on the 3-4 shift. the TSB stated to drain the Mercon out and refill with Mercon 5 fluid! now I guess that the theory is that the draining of the pan and the torque converter will get rid of the old fluid and you won't have any mixing, but give me a break, you still couldn't get it ALL out. some had to mix right? anyway, maybe somebody with some more transmission expertise can help you from here.
I'd still advise calling your dealer and telling them you want the right fluid put back into your truck, unfortunately this will require dropping the pan and draining the torque converter too and refilling ALL of the fluid, not just whats in the pan.
regardless, of what you do about the fluid, I'd still call the dealer and let them know a mistake was made, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOLD ONTO THE RECIEPT!!! keep documentation in case a problem arrises in the future.
good luck.
later,
chris haynie
If I "give them an a** chewing for not knowing their products" What will I base my arguments on ? What some guy on the Internet said .....
No, you would base your arguement on the fact that your dipstick calls for Mercon Fluid, not MERCON 5 fluid. Also your owners manual will verify this.
The dipstick says Mercon, the 99 SVT Supp to the owners manual for a 2000 Truck says use what is on the dipstick because Mercon and Mercon V are Not interchangeable and dont mix them.
I believe that this is PRECISELY what MRACER was trying to warn you about. Your truck takes Mercon, not Mercon 5. the dealership only carries two types of Mercon fluid, one is 5, the other isn't. Ford transmissions that require Mercon 5 will have it clearly printed on the handle end of the dipstick, or stamped into the metal at the fluid end of the dipstick. like you said yours just says Mercon (not Merc 5).
Ford built the truck. They are warranteeing the transmission. If they put the wrong stuff in it I get a new transmission. Seems pretty simple to me. BUT if I have to decide who to trust the dealer or an anonymous tip from the internet... at 2:30 am I will trust the dealer for now...
Yes, Ford built the truck, Your local dealer however did not build the truck. In either case people make mistakes. if you got Mercon 5 somebody sold you the wrong fluid. Yes Ford is going to warranty your transmission, but I can pretty much assure that you WILL NOT get a new transmission. you will get a rebuild of your unit or you will get a remanufactured unit, not a NEW transmission. I only say this because of the dim view most of the people on this board have of going to the dealership at all, much less having such a major repair made on their L. Besides that, I hardly think that you really want to have your L torn down for transmission repairs if you can avoid it. By the way, the tranny guy on my team put a "reman" tranny in a 2000 model Harley Davidson truck last Friday and upon startup it promptly puked nearly all of it's 16 or however many quarts of fluid out from around the converter (the converter that came already installed in the trans from the rebuilders). like you said it is pretty simple. there now you have two anonymous tips from the internet to go by
having said all that, I'm not convinced that the Mercon 5 will hurt your transmission. I have never personally seen a transmission fail due to mixing or interchanging Mercon & Mercon 5. In fact there used to be a TSB around 96-98 alot of Crown Vitorias with AODE transmissions suffered from torque converter shudder on the 3-4 shift. the TSB stated to drain the Mercon out and refill with Mercon 5 fluid! now I guess that the theory is that the draining of the pan and the torque converter will get rid of the old fluid and you won't have any mixing, but give me a break, you still couldn't get it ALL out. some had to mix right? anyway, maybe somebody with some more transmission expertise can help you from here.
I'd still advise calling your dealer and telling them you want the right fluid put back into your truck, unfortunately this will require dropping the pan and draining the torque converter too and refilling ALL of the fluid, not just whats in the pan.
regardless, of what you do about the fluid, I'd still call the dealer and let them know a mistake was made, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOLD ONTO THE RECIEPT!!! keep documentation in case a problem arrises in the future.
good luck.
later,
chris haynie
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Man Doug lighten up a little I totally agree with superfords and mracer. The Mercon V is the wrong stuff and it's on your receipt that they put it in. You yourself says the dipstick says Mercon. So why are you so affraid to take it back to the dealer and have them change ALL your tranny fluid? If someone were to F*c*kup on my L I would not hesitate for a second to tell them to correct it...warranty or not. We are all here to try and get some legit info about our L's and you dished a guy who gave you some...bad judgement IMHO... Jeff
I totally agree with superfords and mracer. The Mercon V is the wrong stuff and it's on your receipt that they put it in. You yourself says the dipstick says Mercon. So why are you so affraid to take it back to the dealer and have them change ALL your tranny fluid? If someone were to F*c*kup on my L I would not hesitate for a second to tell them to correct it...warranty or not. We are all here to try and get some legit info about our L's and you dished a guy who gave you some...bad judgement IMHO... Jeff
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The point of my post was who do I believe...
There are at least 6 believable different opinions here. There are at least 2 Directly from Ford. Since there is NO one firm authority it makes it difficult to prove a problem. Rereading his post there is no reference to anything but his opinion.
I am NOT a mechanic. However a strong amount of common sense says that if you are going to go tell the dealer that they screwed up you need to have done more than to have selected one of 6 opinions off a message board on the Internet.
Putting myself in the dealer’s shoes, I wouldn’t want me coming up and saying You screwed up. Me and a guy on the Internet think it should be Mercon not Mercon V.
I have every receipt for everything purchased for the truck. So no worries about keeping the paperwork.
I will call the service writer and ask him to look into it but feel the best way is to keep an adult mutually respectful relationship with the Service writer. He knows I do my research when I bring in my truck. Walking in and giving them an *** chewing based on Internet discussion is not he best way to foster that relationship. BUT since I went out to look at the dipstick at 3 am and it seems to contradict the invoice, to raise that question is reasonable. If there were a TSB on the issue stating clearly the need for Mercon and the issue with Mercon V. I would feel confident about bringing that to their attention.
In summary as usual the board did a good job of raising some interesting questions. The only facts in my mind are that the Manual says look at the dipstick. ( And hope you got the right one)
I said it before... No offense meant.
Doug
There are at least 6 believable different opinions here. There are at least 2 Directly from Ford. Since there is NO one firm authority it makes it difficult to prove a problem. Rereading his post there is no reference to anything but his opinion.
I am NOT a mechanic. However a strong amount of common sense says that if you are going to go tell the dealer that they screwed up you need to have done more than to have selected one of 6 opinions off a message board on the Internet.
Putting myself in the dealer’s shoes, I wouldn’t want me coming up and saying You screwed up. Me and a guy on the Internet think it should be Mercon not Mercon V.
I have every receipt for everything purchased for the truck. So no worries about keeping the paperwork.
I will call the service writer and ask him to look into it but feel the best way is to keep an adult mutually respectful relationship with the Service writer. He knows I do my research when I bring in my truck. Walking in and giving them an *** chewing based on Internet discussion is not he best way to foster that relationship. BUT since I went out to look at the dipstick at 3 am and it seems to contradict the invoice, to raise that question is reasonable. If there were a TSB on the issue stating clearly the need for Mercon and the issue with Mercon V. I would feel confident about bringing that to their attention.
In summary as usual the board did a good job of raising some interesting questions. The only facts in my mind are that the Manual says look at the dipstick. ( And hope you got the right one)
I said it before... No offense meant.
Doug
Last edited by Silver_2000; Jul 4, 2001 at 12:31 PM.
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Ok....you just came across very skeptical of the advice that a few here gave. It's your L and you can do anything to it you like. I'm sure you will resolve the issue to your liking. Happy 4th....see ya Jeff