If Obama were not a US citizen, would he not have the rights that the Constitution gives all citizens? I mean, the constitution says that we dont have to testify against ourselves...but isn't that only for US CITIZENS?

 

not all citizens are eligible to be president. He is a citizen, though.

 

There isn't any question over whether Obummer is a citizen of the US or not. The question is rather is he eligible to be President. His mother was an American citizen so that makes him a citizen without issue.

To be President, he needs to be a natural born citizen, meaning born on US soil, residing in the US for 14 years before becoming president, etc.

The big question is whether he was indeed born in Hawaii, Kenya or Mars? Again, I would assume that he was born in Hawaii as claimed since I would hope the Secret Service, FBI, etc would vet someone completely before they get to this point. He presented a short form birth certificate which is all most people get when they go to their county and request a copy of their birth certificate.

It seems that someone went to a lot of trouble to make sure he appeared to be a US citizen if he indeed was not actually one. The birth announcements in the paper and having a birth certificate on file in Hawaii. The Republican Governor asserted he was born there as well.

As for reality, often we have to take the word of our parents where we were born. I don't remember my coming into this world but have been told I was born in St. Louis, MO. I assume it to be true as they copy of my birth certificate says so!

If Obummer pulled the wool over everyone and indeed lied then he faces all kinds of hell!!! He would be an idiot to do anything and under law since it would be testifying against himself he is not required to do so. No one in government is pushing it hard enough to worry about it. Further even if states like Texas were to push him off the ballot, I think he would look to it as a "cost of doing business" as he likely won't win there anyway.

If it were me, I would just open the books and say, "see....they are crazy!" and move on. Does he have something to hide? Possibly. If his name was John Smith and he was a white guy, I doubt this question would ever come up. That doesn't mean that they are calling him on it because he is black either...but there are some that are pissed because a black guy is president, I am sure. Rather the fact his name is Barack Obama certainly lends to the conspiracy a bit!

The reality is that the ones that truly don't believe he is legitimate will find reason after reason to say he isn't a rightful president. He could quell some of those that are on the fence though.

 

There are two issues here. The US Constitution states in order for a person to be President they must be a natural born US citizen. There are only two ways to obtain US citizenship, by birth or by naturalization. The exact meaning of natural born citizen has never been addressed. If it is ever decided by the SCOTUS I think they will rule natural born citizen means citizen by birth, however that is obtained (whether it is Jus Soli {by soil} or Jus Sanguinis {by blood}). Even if Obama was born in Kenya, he could still be a natural born US citizen by Jus Sanguinis, maybe.

The second part is whether or not his mother was able to pass along US citizenship if Obama was born in Kenya. His mama was married to Obama's daddy. The problem is that Obama's daddy was also married to another woman in Kenya. This is where the problems occur. If her marriage is considered legal (the US not recognizing the Kenyan marriage) then she would be unable to pass along citizenship. She would have had to be physically present in the US or an outlaying possession for 10 years, with at least 5 after the age of 14. Obama's mother was 18 when she gave birth to Obama, so she was unable to meet the 5 year presence in the US or outlaying possession requirement. If, on the other hand, the marriage was illegal (which I think it was) that would mean she wasn't married when she gave birth to Obama. In that case she only needed to be in the US or an outlaying possession for one year at anytime prior to Obama's birth. She met that requirement.

To determine if she was able to pass along citizenship we would have to look at the laws on the books as they were written when Obama was born. I am not familiar enough with Hawaii's laws to conduct this research (and I really don't care enough about it to learn). If the laws stated a second marriage is void then she wasn't married. If the laws state the first marriage can be used as a valid reason for the granting of a divorce then she was legally married.

 

Well if his father was married at the time of marrying another then the second marriage cannot legally occur. Thus the second marriage would have to be annulled.

I think he would have to be born on US soil though. I don't think just being born to a citizen is enough.

 

That is why the courts need to determine exactly what "natural born citizen" means. Using your definition (which is just as valid as mine) would mean many sons and daughters of military members or diplomats would be unable to be President simply because their parents decided to serve their country and were ordered to an area where we do not possess the land.

 

Birth announcements in the newspaper are often generated by the family. The paper would not go out and verify with the hospital that the baby was born at said hospital. Obama's mother's parents probably notified the paper.

The certificate of live birth he has on file is what would be expected to be given a newborn that was not delivered at the hospital, such as if an American mother showed up with a week old baby for a checkup, just after they got off a plane from Kenya.

So really, not much trouble appears to have been taken at the time.


It would come up if John Smith's paternal grandmother (now deceased) once claimed she was at the birth, in Kenya.

It would also come up if John Smith himself claimed he travelled to Pakistan at a time Americans were forbidden from travelling there, opening it to question what country's passport he held at the time.

The speculation is Obama's mom was in Kenya and tried to return to Hawaii for the birth, but was not allowed to board, as the airline did not want a full term pregnant woman on the long flight.

So, she delivered in Kenya, then within days returned to her parents home in Hawaii. At which point the newspaper announcement was made and the certificate of live birth acquired.

Basically, the one with alot to lose if he was born in Kenya is Obama, as he would not have been elected president, and now that he is president, he would be crippled and/or impeached. That's motivation to hide the truth. FWIW, once he leaves office, he will inevitably write a book. If he has a 'shocking revelation' he will get a huge advance and sell millions of copies. If it is already common knowledge he was born in Kenya, not so much. Basically, he's got plenty of motivation not to come clean.

 

He would be stupid to come clean unless he knew the current POTUS at the time he did it would pardon him or unless he was on death's doorsteps.

The reality is that much like the controversy over JFK's assassination, we will likely never know.

 

I sure as Hell hope Obama was born here. Biden can't even walk and chew gum at the same time without sticking his foot in his mouth. And you clowns thought Bush was bad...

 

Should we start a pot to gather a hundred bucks?

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/28/ha...obama-birth-r/

 

I'm in...luckily for our Canadian friends the exchange rate is pretty much even right now.

Damn our money isn't worth what it used to be, is it?