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wittom Feb 22, 2010 11:50 PM

MA Senator Scott Brown-"Can't we all just get along?"
 
Don't know if you've heard, or if you care. Our beloved Massachusetts junior senator has made his first vote indicating that he doesn't realize why the people of Massachusetts voted for him.

Reuters-New U.S. senator helps Democrats advance jobs bill

I guess he just want's to get along? He campaigned on fiscal conservatism. He claimed that the stimulus package didn't create a single job. Then he votes to advance this "jobs bill", saying that it isn't perfect, but something has to be done. Isn't that what the liberals and progressives are saying about health care? So, will Brown vote in favor of that too?

Being bipartisen doesn't mean leaving your principals at the door and submitting to the ideas of a majority. If that's what's happened in the past, especially the recent past, that is all the more reason to keep it from happening now.

The people of Massachusetts voted for Brown over Coakley because we are largely against the proposed health care legislation and we're largly against the ramping up of the already out of control spending during the Bush years. I wonder if Brown will decide that he should vote for the final version of this "jobs bill"? I wonder if a majority of the people in Massachusetts will vote for Scott Brown for our senator in two years if he does?

ONELOWF Feb 23, 2010 01:18 AM

So the 'party of no' is becoming the party of 'oh, what the heck'?

Actually, he was one of a gang of five.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...ems.php?ref=tn

GreenBuck50 Feb 23, 2010 03:01 AM

He should be impeached. How dare he do this. Aren't politicians supposed to keep their campaign promises?

4.6 Punisher Feb 23, 2010 01:48 PM

^^^

Good joke green! Politicians keeping promises! :lol:

Raoul Feb 23, 2010 02:02 PM

Didn't follow it that closely but, Brown got Tea Party support?

The Tea Party is going to have to run their own candidates to keep from getting stabbed in the back.

Bluejay Feb 23, 2010 02:06 PM

Is it not possible that he voted what he thought was right for his people? If that is the case, I applaud him. I am so tired of politicians voting along party lines strictly because of party and ignoring what is best for the people.

Raoul Feb 23, 2010 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Bluejay (Post 4104971)
Is it not possible that he voted what he thought was right for his people?...

That's what I thought when I read the Bill but, I didn't want to argue politics.
An incentive to make a new hire is pay no employer SS tax thru December and a $1,000 credit for the employer if the the hire is on board for a year.

That sounds cheaper than extending unemployment benefits and it's productive for the Country.
I'm not tracking the explanation of why for a 'No' vote.

Frank S Feb 23, 2010 04:52 PM

All Scott Brown has done is prove he knows nothing about economics.

A true 'jobs bill' would be nothing more than reduced gov't spending and taxation.

That alone would create so many jobs, we wouldn't care about the illegals flocking to the U.S.

wittom Feb 23, 2010 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Bluejay (Post 4104971)
Is it not possible that he voted what he thought was right for his people? If that is the case, I applaud him. I am so tired of politicians voting along party lines strictly because of party and ignoring what is best for the people.

I would like to believe that he though what he did was right for "his" people. I don't like people following party lines, if it means ignoring good ideas. The deal is, Brown claimed to be a fiscal conservative. He said publicly that the stimulus bill didn't create jobs. Many of us voted for him assuming that he was sincere about being fiscally conservative. If he thinks that what's right for "his" people is to borrow billions more, in addition to the trillions we tax payers are already on the hook for, to incentivise job creation, he is not the same Scott Brown who campaigned around this state. Going further in debt to get out of it should be counterintuitive to every single American taxpayer. I though that he understood this. I though that he understood why he was elected.

It's not a TEA party thing either. I talked to many of the people I know to ask them to really think hard about voting in the special election, and to think hard about who to vote for. Many of the people that I talk to don't necessarily agree with me on a lot of things. I am a "conservative" in Massachusetts after all. It's not just "teabaggers" who understand fiscal responsibility. We've all had to employ it in our own lives. Many of the people that I talked to had issues with voting for the (R), but saw the alternative as a rubber stamp for the current spending spree.

Frank is right. If you want bussinesses to hire, lower taxes on everyone so that everyone has more money that they can then spend on the goods and services that businesses provide. This would require government to cut spending. Our representatives have admitted that there is waste and fraud, so how about focusing some attention there?

I'd like to hire a couple more people. This jobs bill is patronizing to small businesses. A hand out. The truth is, it really isn't going to convince our customers to loosen the grip on their money, so we'll have new employees, no contribution to an already bankrups SS, a little tax credit, but not enough work for all of us. I can't imagine that Brown believes that this is the right thing to do for "his" people, or any people for that matter.

Health care, cap and trade, jobs bill. It's all spending and we're already deep in the hole thanks to people who we've elected to represent us. Enough already. Hang Bush if you must but stop the spending spree!

GreenBuck50 Feb 24, 2010 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by 4.6 Punisher (Post 4104950)
^^^

Good joke green! Politicians keeping promises! :lol:

It is a nice joke.

harleydude78 Feb 24, 2010 07:37 AM

IMO, I think it is more of a "chess move" than anything else. He will cash this in later when he needs something, like a vote for a bill he might propose in the future. Kind of a I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine deal.

All things considered, it was a relatively small bill compared to all the other huge monsters that have been passed the last couple of years in Congress. Pretty sad when $15B isn't considered alot of money anymore to politicians though.

Real Feb 24, 2010 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Bluejay (Post 4104971)
Is it not possible that he voted what he thought was right for his people? If that is the case, I applaud him. I am so tired of politicians voting along party lines strictly because of party and ignoring what is best for the people.

Thank-you for being the voice of reason.

Nothing good will come of a strategy of just saying "no".

Real Feb 24, 2010 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by wittom (Post 4105346)
Frank is right. If you want bussinesses to hire, lower taxes on everyone so that everyone has more money that they can then spend on the goods and services that businesses provide.

You mean so they can spend it at Wal-Mart on goods imported from China?

That is the exact kind of intellectually inept logic that got us into this mess in the first place.

wittom Feb 24, 2010 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by Real (Post 4106499)
You mean so they can spend it at Wal-Mart on goods imported from China?

No you dip sh......

No, so they can hire people like you and me to provide them with goods and services that they want and need. You aren't a Wal-Mart greeter are you?

Do you honestly believe that this country is full of people like thoes who wait in lines for ObamaBucks? If that's what you think you see in this country, we are seeing two very different Americas. I see an awful lot of honest, respectable, decent, hard working people who don't believe that the bigger the flat panel television, the higher the status. I see people who, given a choice, will go with the local company for their wants and needs.

Our government cannot provide us with the good and services that we want and need. Even if they could, they shouldn't because that isn't their roll. Welfare was supposed to incentivize people to better themselves. Has that happened? Do you see the people at the bottom working thier way up? Do you see corporations being compassionate because they got their hand out from the tax payers?

We spur growth. If our representatives would spend more time eliminating the waste and fraud they say exists, it wouldn't be necessary to continuously levy more and more taxes on us. If they cut spending, we would have control of more of our money. If we had control of more of our money we would spend more of it for goods and services provided by companies in our area.

We the people do have a big part to play in improving our country. Many have been irresponsible with their money. We do need to be held accountable for our poor decisions. What we don't need is a government that borrows from future generations to pay for the poor decisions being made today. This has been happening for decades now, and it's just a lame excuse to say that because it's been done in the past, it's ok to do it now. The mountain of debt just grows. It's time we reversed that trend.

Wal-Mart does well when people have less. Every person does well when we have more of our own money. Spending another 15bn to incentivize hiring is just like welfare. It's going to create more government dependants only this time it wont be individuals, it'll be companies. I would venture a guess that this is just what our government wants.

ONELOWF Feb 24, 2010 06:27 PM

I find this troubling. If we actually have bipartisan spending ...... who knows where it might stop?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...lion-jobs-bill


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