Programmer Advice Wanted
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03-01-2017, 09:27 AM
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03-07-2017, 01:14 AM
To start with IMHO, going with a mail order tune is really no different than your grandparents taking their car to "Tune-Masters" for a tune-up......yes, they did change the plugs etc, but they were not there to fine tune the car just find the middle of the road where the car runs and get it out of the shop. Mail order tuners are no different...anyone who claims they can tune your car without ever seeing it is selling camel poop- period! They cannot tune your engine without seeing the data specific to altitude, humidity & fuel burning characteristics- just because you use 93 octane does not mean the 93 octane they used on their dyno (tuners) has the same burning characteristics...nor do they typically address the seasonal fuel blends for each region of the US.
With regards to “Tuners”, years ago it was the best that most could do to enhance the ignition timing, fuel curve, transmission shift points, etc. It is important to verify the “Tuner” is ASE certified in ECM & Trans programming & current. Plenty of persons advertise their programs to be the best & offer custom tunes, but very few have credentials in these areas. Some of these “geniuses” have caused damage to a few vehicles- just jump over to flatratetech.com & read comments from the MSE techs!
Roush Dyno Tune Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
Frustrated with bama performace
Posted 3/16/14 by Wolfmanron
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ml#post6028497
Bama Tune Issues
Posted 1/13/15
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ne-issues.html
“Now my car accelerates without my foot on the pedal. This scared the crap out of me”
Posted 10/6/16
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ml#post8608793
“Running Bama's 91 tune (w/BBK CAI) for the last month and have had issues starting……when turn the ignition my car would click and the power intermittently cuts in/out, but would eventually start. I usually keep my odometer on the trip odometer, but whenever I start it reverts back to the total mileage odometer…..my fuel gauge was acting a little erratic, so I decided to revert back to stock and try re-uploading the 91R tune. After reverting back to stock, I couldn't get it to start.”
BullyDog Tuner
Posted 2/4/13
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/12...l#post12796183
http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-foru...sports.777509/
Black Stampede, Jul 22, 2008
Perhaps what is equally important is the parameters that can be adjusted are set by the OEM vehicle software…so there is really no “magic” in what they are doing anyway. If you look at the dyno charts from many of these supposed HP/TQ increases, they are typically around 5%-7% at peak rpm ranges…….guess what, 5% is a standard deviation even amongst mfg dynos and if you go to this link http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...ceTechTips.pdf the engineers at Ford racing have a article on just exactly how these “tuners” play games with the hp/tq ratings, how calibration can cause misleading dyno results, & some of the “tricks” that are used to gain supposed power increases when in fact, mis-managing your engine.....and the most important item is……these "mail order tuners' are not regulated like any other auto repair shop in the US...so if they "damage" your car...gee, sorry...sue me!
IMHO, if you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. IMHO, the best bang for the buck!
If you are comfortable and understand how to tune a vehicle, you can also do this yourself. There are several software programs available, that “Speak Common English” that will allow you to tune your vehicles ECM. One company is HP Tuners, they have a website….they offer two core programs, one for those who are doing dyno tuning and one for the home-garage mechanic (which is priced at about the same as most of the “canned tunes on the market) …this version limits the span of adjustments as a safeguard against doing something outside of the oem scope……basically, keeps you from doing something “too stupid by accident” (grin)
If you are dead set on a mail order tune, the only ones I would recommend is Ford racing or Blue Oval Chips...the gent is a Ford MSE (PCM/Trans) and has been around for decades (20+)
With regards to “Tuners”, years ago it was the best that most could do to enhance the ignition timing, fuel curve, transmission shift points, etc. It is important to verify the “Tuner” is ASE certified in ECM & Trans programming & current. Plenty of persons advertise their programs to be the best & offer custom tunes, but very few have credentials in these areas. Some of these “geniuses” have caused damage to a few vehicles- just jump over to flatratetech.com & read comments from the MSE techs!
Roush Dyno Tune Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
Frustrated with bama performace
Posted 3/16/14 by Wolfmanron
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ml#post6028497
Bama Tune Issues
Posted 1/13/15
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ne-issues.html
“Now my car accelerates without my foot on the pedal. This scared the crap out of me”
Posted 10/6/16
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ml#post8608793
“Running Bama's 91 tune (w/BBK CAI) for the last month and have had issues starting……when turn the ignition my car would click and the power intermittently cuts in/out, but would eventually start. I usually keep my odometer on the trip odometer, but whenever I start it reverts back to the total mileage odometer…..my fuel gauge was acting a little erratic, so I decided to revert back to stock and try re-uploading the 91R tune. After reverting back to stock, I couldn't get it to start.”
BullyDog Tuner
Posted 2/4/13
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/12...l#post12796183
http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-foru...sports.777509/
Black Stampede, Jul 22, 2008
Perhaps what is equally important is the parameters that can be adjusted are set by the OEM vehicle software…so there is really no “magic” in what they are doing anyway. If you look at the dyno charts from many of these supposed HP/TQ increases, they are typically around 5%-7% at peak rpm ranges…….guess what, 5% is a standard deviation even amongst mfg dynos and if you go to this link http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...ceTechTips.pdf the engineers at Ford racing have a article on just exactly how these “tuners” play games with the hp/tq ratings, how calibration can cause misleading dyno results, & some of the “tricks” that are used to gain supposed power increases when in fact, mis-managing your engine.....and the most important item is……these "mail order tuners' are not regulated like any other auto repair shop in the US...so if they "damage" your car...gee, sorry...sue me!
IMHO, if you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. IMHO, the best bang for the buck!
If you are comfortable and understand how to tune a vehicle, you can also do this yourself. There are several software programs available, that “Speak Common English” that will allow you to tune your vehicles ECM. One company is HP Tuners, they have a website….they offer two core programs, one for those who are doing dyno tuning and one for the home-garage mechanic (which is priced at about the same as most of the “canned tunes on the market) …this version limits the span of adjustments as a safeguard against doing something outside of the oem scope……basically, keeps you from doing something “too stupid by accident” (grin)
If you are dead set on a mail order tune, the only ones I would recommend is Ford racing or Blue Oval Chips...the gent is a Ford MSE (PCM/Trans) and has been around for decades (20+)