See highlighted text above.

Facts often have little to do with feelings. Feelings are subjective, and to varying degrees, outside stimuli can affect them. Something as seemingly silly as the desire to "feel" something "as advertised" can convince a person of evidence of effectiveness (see placebo effect ).

Science has proven ("fact") that the placebo effect is a powerful tool in convincing the mind that a desired outcome has been attained when, in "fact", the actual outcome ranges from bupkis to very moderate. Savvy?

In summary, methinks you have your "feelings" confused with "facts". 'N ye wuz a injun-ear?



Nobody said they knew more about your truck than you do...yet.

I'll add this: Without factual numbers from a dyno, ye don't "know" as much's ye thanks ye does!

 

https://www.f150online.com/forums/ch...fter-chip.html

Read what Mike Troyer "Superchips Distributor" said in 2005 to a question from a guy who had a 4.6 2 valve engine. According to him a tune would add 21- 26 hp. So, it would appear that according to Mike it is possible.
Somebody else dug this up, not me. Just trying to educate the uneducated. LOL

 

Possible? Sure. Yet, surely you'd agree that dealing with "possibilities" is more like dealing with theory than fact.

Additionally, and as an engineer yourself, you surely know that seemingly identical machines CAN (and often do) operate and perform differently. Hence, the need to have individual testing performed to evaluate outcomes in order to speak of fact versus "feeling", "possibilities", etc.

And which of the responding members in this thread would you consider to be uneducated?

 

Uneducated about the fact that a Superhips tune can add 20 hp? Evidently several people on the forum.

 

^^There you go misusing the "F" word again! ^^

But I'm glad you took the bait.

What thou readest must be taken in proper context. You've taken the link you provided out of context.

Although Troyer's username might suggest differently, the tuner in question was NOT a canned Supercraps device. He was actually referring to an SCT device with custom tuning.

A good nugget: https://www.f150online.com/forums/1796997-post36.html

Anudder'n: https://www.f150online.com/forums/1695031-post3.html

And many, many more posts just like it where Mike Troyer himself speaks of the vastly superior performance gains of custom tuning (with a custom tunable device, of course) versus canned tuning.

See? Context. It's an important concept in basic, proper comprehension. Apparently, even the edjimacated elite can make that mistake, eh?

 

So, DewserB, are you saying that there is no way I'm correct, that my truck gained 20hp with the Superchips tune?

 

I'm saying there's no way anybody can know for an absolute "fact" unless you're dyno-proven. Troyer has done plenty of dyno-tunes, and from reading his posts in their proper contexts, the gains in the 20-26 hp area are from his personal custom tunes for the 2v. Said custom tunes are superior to canned tunes to the tune of around 50-100% (depending upon vehicle, existing mods, strategies, etc). Again, that info is straight from the feller YOU referenced.

So there you go. That math ain't hard.

Edit: I'm not quite sure why the adamancy about a meager 20hp anyway. Race truck? Sheer braggin' rights?

 

So, you acknowledge that I could be correct. So why argue about it? You are reminding me of my ex-wife!

 

Assume we're in a completely dark room. Neither of us has factual data about the color of the walls. You have a "feeling" that the walls are black, but I have it on good authority (from the painter himself) that they are white.

Now you and I can argue about the color of the walls when neither of us can see them until the cows come home. But who is more likely to be correct?

 

This reminds me of Dumb and Dumber....

"So you're saying there's a chance..."

 

 

280k mile, i would leave it alone and take the money you would spend on the tune and use it for gas. do the math of how long it will take you to get your money back vs (maybe) better mpg.

as for what i gains. to me the dyno , chip people can play games with that.

for instance a stock truck might make 230 rwhp peak and the chip shows a 233 rwhp for a peak gain of 3 hp. but the same truck might make stock 200 rwhp 500 rpm after peak and the chip truck makes 220 hp for a 20 hp gain. so the question is what is the gain?
for the tune, i can only say that most people seem to be happy with results and for the money spent, it is the best bang for the buck. however after farting around with every car i have every owned, i am all or nothing,, add supercharger or heads and cam.