Originally Posted by fordman0171

I just installed the Edge Evo in my 2nd F150. Never had a problem with installation or drivability. I had a CAI on my 2006 and had no problems, and my 2007 is stock (for now).

I've run both Level 2 (towing) and Level 3 (performance) and the biggest thing I notice is the DRAMATICALLY better throttle response and WAY firmer shifting. The canned tunes really do allow you to change a bunch of parameters....fuel curve (WOT), timing, shifting, etc. It's really hard to determine MPG increases because it's so much fun mashing on the throttle and slamming gears! The Instant MPG and Average MPG gauges are fun to watch, though, and I'm always trying to get them as high as I can. Right now I'm at 21.8MPG ('07 5.4L Lariat screw).

For me, the Edge does what I want, plus the Edge and Gryphon have the way-cool gauges and display that you can play with. I understand that with a lot of mods, the custom tunes will probably squeeze out the extra power, but the Edge is just so hassle-free....you can get one in a couple days, slap it in, program it in 15 minutes and off you go.

Originally Posted by mSaLL150

Before lifting my truck, which is a 5.4 4x4 supercab, it got 20 mpg @ 70mph and 22mpg @ 63mph. This is with Troyer Performance Tuning, K&N intake, and Roush exhaust, 87 performance tune.

Oh yeah, and my A/F ratios were PERFECT without any datalogging = very safe tunes. The wait is worth it to have the best.

Originally Posted by khindal

I have the same problem! If you want to save money and improve MPG then you would be better off changing your driving technique and keep your foot out of the pedal as much as possible. You would have to figure in the cost of a tuner to see if you would save money and with gas being cheaper now the return would take longer.

Kevin

Originally Posted by bluejay432000

The Gryphon is the exact same hardware with the same canned tunes, so same hassle free. Except, when you get Bill's custom tunes, it's even more hassle free because he programs in the shifting you want, plus the downshifting he programs is awesome. Also, the 87 Performance tune is even better than the Level 3 in the Edge and doing it on 87 instaed of 91 or 93. It pays for itself.

Without custom tunes, you are not taking full advantage of the CAI.

Originally Posted by Arca_ex

Wow 20MPG stock? That's hard to believe...
The increase in MPG seems right, but even in my supercab RWD truck I only got 16MPG at ~70 stock besides a tonneau.

Originally Posted by openclasspro#11

exactly what i post when someone posts on which tuner for better mpg,
once a month air pressure checks
no jack rabbit starts
no higher than 65 on highway
will yield a better mpg return for the money-$0 than what you will get for a $400 tuner

Originally Posted by openclasspro#11

that either tells me bill's 87 perf tune is out of this world or there is something wrong with the edge level 3 tune, no way power output,{not including shift characteristics,or part throttle tq} should be better on 87 versus 93-just for one you can't get as much spark advance on 87-like comparing apples to oranges...

Originally Posted by bluejay432000

I did not say it was just power ouput. Actually, the power output feels pretty close but the overall permormance is much better, which includes shifting and especially downshifting. My canned tune was very lacking when it came to downshifting, and that can make the power production seem very poor. If you are running along at 50, and need to accelerate rapidly and all you get is a slow glide up the speedometer as opposed to punching it and getting a kick in the britches, it makes a huge difference.

Originally Posted by Arca_ex

Wow 20MPG stock? That's hard to believe...
The increase in MPG seems right, but even in my supercab RWD truck I only got 16MPG at ~70 stock besides a tonneau.

Originally Posted by mSaLL150

I agree, its a little strange. But for some reason the 2004 truck seem to get much better mileage.

70mph on highway 5:

Originally Posted by mSaLL150

I agree, its a little strange. But for some reason the 2004 truck seem to get much better mileage.

70mph on highway 5:

Originally Posted by Arca_ex

Computer MPG displays are known to be off by as much as 4MPG in some cases. The only thing I trust is the good old "fill up n' measure" method.