yes

 

I've asked you before and you told me you had mail order tunes. So who have you watched tune a vehicle? I'm pretty curious.

 

i have seen a truck being tuned before and some take longer than others. you have to understand that some things have to be driven in the real world. setting up shifting, line pressure, a lot of things have to be driven. nothing leaves the dyno perfect and ready to go. after the dyno tuning you then have to ensure that the truck is running right. i have seen some vehicles go to the dyno and leave in a few hours with a finished product. hell my truck spent quite a few hours on the dyno. then driven in the street for some checks. then found its way back on the dyno. so there is no simple write a tune in 30 mins. but thump since your so smart why not just tune your own truck (it's always the know it all that complains about someone else's work) has for the comment about the LS1's, Stangs and other vehicles why are you trying to race a 6000lb truck with a car. Now if you have a car I have 2 mustangs that I love to race. 94 10.5 setup that totally street and a 84 big block that is all track. oh and also a few bikes in the garage so we can do that too. it amazes me how when you challenge someone to find out about tuning we start seeing people talk about racing cars against the trucks. if you want to keep apples with apples i look forward to any real racing but i dont see a reason to race trucks against cars. oh and most that know me don't really mess with me when it comes to racing. Not saying I'm a big deal or anything. Most know that I iwll spend the money on quality work when I put my mind to it. Hell a buddy of mine came from the track just the other nite in our trucks. both pulling 6x12 trailors. i had 2 busa in mine he had a zx14 in his. with the over drive off in both trucks we nail them from 40 to 115. needless to say by the time we hit 115 i had about 4 trucks on him. both have the same mods pretty much. a little differences here and there but im tp tuned and he has a members tune from up here. so i feel good about tp and wont change. why not get some of the tuners up here to do a truck for the track. by that im sure that if you donate your truck and pay for the mods to it and let them know what you plan on doing they should tune it for the advertising. i learned there's not a tuner around who wouldnt love to get publicity for his work. hell troyer will cut you a deal if your doing something new for the truck community. the tracks are open every week and im willing to travel up to 250 miles to meet anyone with a truck tuned by other than troyer. hell up to 400 if someone wants to meet me half way just to see what the tunes do if your setup is anything like mine.

 

Bill's customers have been waiting since April. It's now June. That makes it an 8 - 9 week wait, and they still don't have their tunes. So now Bill has to shut down just to catch up on work. By the time they get their tunes, it will be a 10 - 12 week wait. In addition, Bill will not be taking calls for two weeks. I don't see anyone complaining about waiting that long and not being able to talk to Bill when they call.

So what's the big deal? Now we know that it's not just Mike's customers who have to wait.

What it says to me is that both Troyer Performance & Power Hungry Performance are so swamped with work orders that they can't keep up the supply with the demand. That's a good thing. For them and us. They are making a living doing what they like. We get a quality product.

 

You would think so except for the fact that these vehicles, trucks, cars, vans, wagons and so on, are always being changed by the engineers, even if it is a small tweak, it can make a difference. I've worked in enough dealerships and shops to know that the mechanic has to go back to school or seminars to relearn themselves on newer vehicles or even the same ones that have been "tweaked" coming of the assembly line. You would think it would become second nature to be able to work on a vehicle but sometimes it's not. I'm not going to defend TP but he does do other vehicles, 150's are just a specialty of his. This paticular statement of yours is kind of a stupid one. You almost present yourself as one who also writes tunes and can bang them out every 5 minutes.

 

Again Thump, not trying to start anything here, but if you were to watch a surgeon do open heart surgery alot, would you say the same thing? I mean would you say you know exactly what it takes to do open heart surgery? Of course we're getting off the op's whole beef here of price for a single tune. I figure that our trucks are like patients, not every one is EXCACTLY identical to the other. Alot of things have to be taken into account, what mods, how many more miles, age and so on. I will admit $125 is kinda steep for a single tune, as I can recall I was told $50 to $75 for any additional tune, depending on what I wanted.

 

I'm speaking generally, but regardless like you said $125 is very expensive. It's more than double the "acceptable" amount, IMO.

 

I'm really surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet.

Surprised, and glad. I'm actually learning a lot.

 

So you were racing a buddy in your truck, with a trailor, and your TP tuned truck beat his local tuned truck w/ trailor with similar mods? Did I read that right?

 

that is correct. but i was pulling about an extra 600lbs give or take a few pounds. before it gets blown out of porpotion these are the two trucks.

mine: 2007 Lariat Supercab 6.5 box
roush intercooled, grantelli COP's, Dynatech LT's with cats, Magnaflow muffler with x pipe, lower pulley running around 9lbs of boost according to the gauge. blower ported, 3.73ls TP electric fans

his: 2007 Lariat Supercrew 5.5 box
roush intercooled, MSD COP's, Pacesetter LT's with cats, flowmaster lightning exit, lower pulley running around 9-9.5lb according to gauge, ported blower 3.73ls fal 270 fans

what comes to mind right now there are a few differences here and there
we both have the same lower pulley and we play with the trucks all the time. i know there is a difference between the supercrew and supercab but it cant be that much. wheelbases are the same. we have raced in all of the tune modes that we have. i get better gas mileage, truck is much faster in max performance mode. there are six of us with blown trucks. from roush, to whipple to saleen, even have a maggie in the bunch. i have the best gas mileage out of all. we have driven each others truck. i know you will always like yours the best but throttle response and just cruising around most agree that i have the most user friendly truck out of the bunch. i dont have the most horsepower that goes to the saleen charger and his prize tuning with about 12lbs. ( even though its blown up right now and waiting for the longblock that should be here in a few weeks). off throttle on stock wheels i do have the quickest truck and hey its TP tuned. theres more to tuning than just getting a good af ratio. driveability goes a long way.

 

What is the acceptable amount

 

very controlled experiment there huh?!

It's hard to believe that a racing guy would make any claims about either trucks performance based on this senerio.

 

wow i unusualy login on the weekend and the first thing i see is a "my tuner is better that yours" thread!

what a joke. can't you guy's just let this go.
It seems that Troyer has great tunes and crappy customer service.
VPM has also great tunes and good customer service.


There is no way to decide who has better tunes on a forum. But it's easy to see who has the crappy customer service.

There really isn't anything else to say is there?

 

You know exactly because you've seen people like Mike and Justin write them, or you know exactly because you write them yourself?

Exactly what does it take, Thump?

Serious question.

 

x2 im quite curious on this one too.