Hi, I currently have a 2005 ford f150 5.4 3v truck with;

6" Lift
35" tires
4:56 gears
Airaid CAI
Throtle body spacer
True dual Exhuast (not "Y" pipe) with two coffin mufflers.
and a Diablo programmer

Would it be worth eating the $300 for the diablo to toss it and get an edge programmer or a Xcal????

Would the difference really be worth eating that 300 and paying 400 more for a new one??? Or would my money be better spent if i save up for Banks Torque Tube Headers.... which i got a pretty good estimate on from a local banks dealer for $960 installed.

 

Hmm. No responses...odd.

So tell me, what exactly don't you like about the Diablosport? I was lookin into one vs. the Superchips or Edge (although I kinda like the Edge).

 

Hi.

Okay - I'll jump in.

The Banks headers are shorties. As such, they will not give you significant gains unless a lot of downstream changes are made as well. Pricey too.

If you are fixed on headers, go Dynatech or Pacesetter - preferably Dynatech - also pricey, but at least you actually produce results, not just bragging rights.

On the tuner - you need to set some criteria / expectations - others can't determine that for you as everyone has a different set... (e.g : performance/dollar, mileage, features, flexibility, future-mod capability, and so on...)

What is 'worth' it to you may not be to another.

For myself in this situation, I certainly would not consider a shorty header, but would likely sell the Diablo & invest in a better (custom) tuner. Then perhaps save up for those long-tubes, high-flow cats & Maggie exhaust !

My opinion only, folks.

BTW - ditch the spacer. Also - I suspect your exhaust could use improvement - details on it's config would help)

Cheers
Evil Mind-Control Bubba
~Get yer Tinfoil shielding hats here ! LOL! ~

 

Thank you very much for your replies.

I love my Diablo sport. Especially now that i have updated it. (Feels like i got ANOTHER 10 horses with the update, i love it) It feels like i have a totally different truck. Im never going to go back to a stock tuned truck

I was just wondering if the tunes in the edge were more efficient or powerful.

I dont really care about gas usage... I just want as much power squeezed out of my truck as possible. Any comments? My main concern is... If i am able to get a better programmer that can squeez some more power out, would the power increase be worth it? For example.... If i get the edge and it oes make a difference... is that different going to be 5 horse power for the 400$$$ ??? thats about... $80 a horse??? lol

Would ditching the throttle body spacer help? or it just isnt needed? Because i could hear the whisle when i first installed it with my stock intake, so i think that it helps...

My exhuast is cut off behind the cats and Ran seperately with 2-1/4" pipe to two COFFIN muflers with 5" tips. There are pics of my truck and the exhuast in the "SUSPENSION" section of the forums under aftermarket. Its tittled.... "MUTT lift / pics"


THANK YOU GUYS!!!!

About the headers.... I heard that Pace setter and other brands are made of thin steel and warp/corrode over time. .... and you are stuck with the shop bill, even if they replce the headers. According to banks, their "torque tubes" for the 05 f150 increases up to 40 ft. lbs. of torque if i remember correctly, and the way that they are designed, they actually pulllll air out of the engine.???? BS????

 

I agree with MGDfan, but would add this.
To get the maximum performance out of your vehicle, or any vehicle for that matter you need custom tuning and that is where Troyer Performance has excelled for many years.
You can say what you like about others Tuners or their tuning, but Mike has cornered the market on tuning these F-150's. There are some that will argue the point but facts are facts. I have spent a "lot" of time with Mike (and his staff) over the years and know how much work he has put into perfecting his tuning abilities, as well as "assisting" others in the business. Oh how I wish I could tell all I know, but I am bound by agreement not to....many would be surprised....I suggest you call and give him a try....

 

Hi FordBoy05,

There are several things that can be improved.

The first of which is your tuning - all ego aside, there simply is no substitute for our Troyer Performance custom tuning. We make more safe & sustainable power & performance in these vehicles than any off the shelf tuner can do, and we go much further in depth into the PCM's operations.

See, we are the only people who truly specialize in these trucks, and we have specialized in them for over 15 years, far longer than anyone else on the planet. We have custom tuned far more of them than anyone else by many orders of magnitude, and so over the years we have assisted a number of the major chipmakers, as well as many other tuners and many other companies making other types of parts due to our expertise on this platform.

It's not just peak power that we offer, of couse we give you that - but also the maximum in available torque at any throttle position or rpm, throttle response, transmission characteristics, and our overall driveability can't be beat - but that's what specialization gets you, as opposed to companies who are churning out tuners for hundreds of different vehicles.

Also, your intake and exhaust could both be improved on - the Airaid is a decent intake kit, don't get me wrong, and we sell it as well. But you can get significant additional power across the entire power band by going with our 3.5" Air Force One setup.

With regard to the exhaust, now there you may be doing "OK" in terms of peak hp at full-throttle at 5000 rpm - but everywhere else you are making less power than you could, as what you have done has actually *reduced* the velocity of the exhaust stream, and that reduces scavenging, which reduces torque - and don't feel bad, as even many exhaust manufacturers simply do not understand how this works - real flow engineering is required to deliver an exhaust where you actually gain horsepower and torque everywhere, at any rpm, and at any throttle position.

Now what I would say would be most important is to address the tuning first, as that is going to be the best bang for the buck - and then if you want to better optimize your intake, that would also be a good move. If you are happy with your exhaust, that is of course up to you, but just in the tuning & intake alone, there is significant additional power & performance to be gained.

And the throttle body spacer? It won't hurt you, so I wouldn't tell you that you need to remove it - just that you didn't gain anything from it other than a whistle.

Please understand, I am NOT trying to "knock" your mods or your truck, I'm sure you have a very nice truck that you are very proud of - it's your truck, and you are the only one who needs to be happy - I responded only because we specialize in these vehicles and test more F-150 performance parts than anyone else in this businesswe know of so we *know* what actually does the best job. So I responded just to try to give you a hand in terms of letting you know what will actually get better results in those areas. That is what you will see most people here doing, is using our tuning, the intake & exhaust that we recommend, and many other parts we recommend, because they know we have a very long history of trucks that make more power & performance for a given level of modification, as that is what we have specialized in for many years.

At any rate, I'm just trying to share some info with you here - from there, it's up to you, & you do whatever makes you happy!

If you would like to go over any of this in more detail, just give us a call at our number listed below & we'll be happy to help.

Thanks for your post, & best of luck with your truck!