diesel performance
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diesel performance
my dad has an 05' f350 ec/lb dually (4.10 ls) and is wanting to get it hooked up. he is looking at a banks package, but i think they are way too overpriced. basically he wants a chip/tuner (with on-the-fly programs), an intake, and a turbo-back exhaust. which ship/tuner is the best and which intake and turbo-back exhaust will get his truck goin the best. he wants all performance, but he also tows a trailer for 2 harleys. thanks for an input.
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I had an F250 with the 7.3PSD and this is the best site for diesel related performance questions.
http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/
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Hi 05 Shadow,
You need to know some very important info first - we do NOT recommend using those switch-on-the-fly type of units, as they do not actually reprogram the PCM at all - all they do is intercept signals going into the PCM to force more raw fuel into the engine. Yes, they LOOK cool & sound neat, but they do not provide protection for diesels with automatic transmissions, and if that truck is an automatic model, using an in-line type of fuel adder is an excellent way to ruin that automatic transmission.
See, there are changes that MUST be made to the PCM's programming in order to protect any diesel with an automatic transmission - to say nothing of that being the only really proper way to tune any computer controlled vehicle for more performance to being with - something that in-line devices like that cannot do, as they do not actually reprogram the PCM at all - all they do is intercept signals and alter them to trick the PCM into dumping in more fuel - they do not properly recalibrate the powertrain for those increased power levels, and that is something you need to know.
Now if it is a manual tranny unit, then you can get away with that type of device, as there is no automatic transmission to damage - however, it still does not properly tune the vehicle by reprogramming the PCM's calibration, which is the preferred & best method of increasing power via altering PCM operations.
Lots of companies are making those types of devices because they are far easier & cheaper to make, and they charge thru the nose for them - my recommendation would be to use a product that actually *programs* the PCM itself with a proper replacement calibration, so that all the powertrain's systems can actually work just as they are designed to. This is important with the variable turbos on the 6.0's, and on any diesel with an automatic transmission, and for anyone that really wants to do it right.
By the way - if you want the fancy touch-screen type of unit, that is an optional add-on that will be available for the XCalibrator 2 here pretty soon, as it is a modular design unit - so you can mount a larger screen up on the dash if you like, while having a proper reprogramming of the PCM as it really should be done.
One last point - it is not my intention to slam all those types of units you speak of - the best of them generally have some type of protection for the engine, so that the motor will be OK - but none of the in-line fuel adders like that have any protection for automatic transmissions, which will fail sooner or later in most cases when using those types of units, and none of them actually change the PCM's internal programming - they simply install in-line, so they can intercept signals coming into the PCM and later them in order to trick the PCM into forcing it to dump more raw fuel in. That is a rather crude way to make power in a diesel, by only tricking the PCM and not doing a proper complete recalibration.
This is just some quick FYI for you, & we can provide *proper* PCM recalibration that delivers large and safe power & performance gains on those Ford Powerstroke diesels, both the 7.3 and the newer 6.0 units, as well as provide innovative measures such as pilot injection for the 6.0's to reduce the typical diesel clatter that many people find objectionable - once you've heard how much quieter the engine runs with pilot injection in a 6.0 diesel, you never want to go back.
Again, this is just some quick FYI info for you - please feel free to give us a call to go over this in more detail to find our what we can do of that vehicle, and we wish you the very best of luck with whatever you decide on!
You need to know some very important info first - we do NOT recommend using those switch-on-the-fly type of units, as they do not actually reprogram the PCM at all - all they do is intercept signals going into the PCM to force more raw fuel into the engine. Yes, they LOOK cool & sound neat, but they do not provide protection for diesels with automatic transmissions, and if that truck is an automatic model, using an in-line type of fuel adder is an excellent way to ruin that automatic transmission.
See, there are changes that MUST be made to the PCM's programming in order to protect any diesel with an automatic transmission - to say nothing of that being the only really proper way to tune any computer controlled vehicle for more performance to being with - something that in-line devices like that cannot do, as they do not actually reprogram the PCM at all - all they do is intercept signals and alter them to trick the PCM into dumping in more fuel - they do not properly recalibrate the powertrain for those increased power levels, and that is something you need to know.
Now if it is a manual tranny unit, then you can get away with that type of device, as there is no automatic transmission to damage - however, it still does not properly tune the vehicle by reprogramming the PCM's calibration, which is the preferred & best method of increasing power via altering PCM operations.
Lots of companies are making those types of devices because they are far easier & cheaper to make, and they charge thru the nose for them - my recommendation would be to use a product that actually *programs* the PCM itself with a proper replacement calibration, so that all the powertrain's systems can actually work just as they are designed to. This is important with the variable turbos on the 6.0's, and on any diesel with an automatic transmission, and for anyone that really wants to do it right.
By the way - if you want the fancy touch-screen type of unit, that is an optional add-on that will be available for the XCalibrator 2 here pretty soon, as it is a modular design unit - so you can mount a larger screen up on the dash if you like, while having a proper reprogramming of the PCM as it really should be done.
One last point - it is not my intention to slam all those types of units you speak of - the best of them generally have some type of protection for the engine, so that the motor will be OK - but none of the in-line fuel adders like that have any protection for automatic transmissions, which will fail sooner or later in most cases when using those types of units, and none of them actually change the PCM's internal programming - they simply install in-line, so they can intercept signals coming into the PCM and later them in order to trick the PCM into forcing it to dump more raw fuel in. That is a rather crude way to make power in a diesel, by only tricking the PCM and not doing a proper complete recalibration.
This is just some quick FYI for you, & we can provide *proper* PCM recalibration that delivers large and safe power & performance gains on those Ford Powerstroke diesels, both the 7.3 and the newer 6.0 units, as well as provide innovative measures such as pilot injection for the 6.0's to reduce the typical diesel clatter that many people find objectionable - once you've heard how much quieter the engine runs with pilot injection in a 6.0 diesel, you never want to go back.
Again, this is just some quick FYI info for you - please feel free to give us a call to go over this in more detail to find our what we can do of that vehicle, and we wish you the very best of luck with whatever you decide on!