my post is simply about sharing copyrighted material. and trust me having spent several years in the industry and having to support myself by writing code and developing applications my damn self i understand where the creators of such material are coming from, but i still think especially with the xcal people should be able to tune all theyre ford motor vehicle swith it, say they dont want 3 tunes for one vehicle maybe they want 1 tune for three vehicles, sct will still get paid for the xcal and whoever will still get paid for three tunes. what if someone had 2 f150s theyd have to buy 2 freekin superchips that really stinks. and my post simply became about copyrighted material, its all the same, for those that argue that those who want to program more than one vehicle are simply cheap and wanting stuff for free, then thats fine thats a legitamate argument but i find it hard to believe that those people are not the same people downloading music for free, burning software, etc which is the same thing.

 

Software, no. Songs, no--unless ripping a cd to put into an mp3 player count. I but the albums I want. I'm not going all "Lars Ulrich" about this. I'm just saying that when Troyer has a team of people doing months/years of R&D to write specialized tunes, he deserves to make money on it. It is a business.

That is why we have patents and copyrights. So that after somebody spends years writing programs or designing a car, someone can't come by take the idea/design and reproduce in a third world country for half the cost and sell it at huge profits.

Anybody ever work on group projects in college---If you were the kid who let everybody else do the work, but when the professor handed out the A's you were first in line---This applies to you.

 

Exx,
I posted before I saw your reply. I think we agree about software in general not being copied etc. Just not sure where we crossed wire there...

Xlt,
I think you have a great point about paying for three tunes and being able to choose which three tunes will go where, ex one for each vehicle. That makes sense in the fact that each tune is already paid for. I think, though, that it all points back to the safeguards of not having a stock tune to revert back to. As the machine will not hole more than one stock tune. There is some logic in Slow's statement about accidently tuning back with the wrong stock tune and the possible consequences of that. If there is any truth to that, it makes sense.

 

They wouldn't 'have' to buy anything. Their truck runs just fine with the stock tuning. If they wanted the custom tuning on their trucks, they would have to buy one for each. Makes sense to me. This is how these companies make their money, like it or not.

 

That was the point I was referring to in one of my post. I know the XCal2 can only hold one stock tune. When you first receive the XCal2, or any flash programmer for that matter, it has custom tunes only, and no stock tune is there.

Only when you connect the flash programmer to the vehicle and then upload a custom tune is a stock tune down loaded to the flash programmer. Once you revert your vehicle back to the stock tune it is my understanding you lose the custom tune.

Therefore you should be able to store all your custom tunes on another PC. You could connect the flash programmer to the PC and then at will download your custom tunes back into the flash programmer.

It would also be simple to make the flash tuner upload your stock tune to the PC for safe keeping as well. It’s only a file, nothing hard about uploading another file to your PC. That way if you ever had any issues with the flash programmer corrupting the stock tune when trying to revert the vehicle back to stock you would always have a good stock tune safely stored on your PC and perhaps even a CD for safe keeping.

With all that out of the way the flash programmer could work on any number of different vehicles, or at least up to three since that is the max custom tunes the XCal2 can hold at one time.

So if you loaded a custom tune to your F150 the XCal2 would hold the stock tune. You could not load a custom tune into say your Focus until you returned the other vehicle back to stock. Once that is done the XCal2 is just like the way you originally received it, no stock tune. So it would be no problem connecting it to another vehicle, downloading its stock tune then uploading another custom tune for that vehicle.

As a matter of fact someone could have 10, 20 or 30 custom tunes if they wanted. They would simply have to store them on their PC since the XCal2 can only hold 3 max.

It is all very simple and very easy to do and would at no time ever jeopardize a company from making money and insuring the XCal2 could only program one vehicle at a time.

It is absolutely corrupt to think it is ethical of a company forcing someone to buy a $400 - $450 piece of equipment for every vehicle they may wish to use it on with the technology a flash programmer has. A chip I can understand because they are extremely limited in what they can do and how cross functional they can be.

The only reason a company would not allow a flash tuner the possibility to be cross functional is for pure profit only and nothing to do with technology reasons…

 

These companies don't FORCE anyone to buy anything. You or I DON'T NEED it. They provide a product and it works the way it works. If you want it, you buy it.

 

what 01 xlt sport is saying is exactly right i even say to a further extent that one shouldnt have to revert one vehicle back to stock to tune another. It is very possible to do all this without even having to involve your pc. It is strictly for profit as xlt has stated.


****, im not trying to cross wire or fight with you man, just discussing, if i come off rude or abrasive im really not meaning to, just discussing the issue.

 

You're right. That's what being in business is all about, making a profit.

 

uh ya no sh*t, howd i know you were gonna say that i was just waiting, what do you think the rest of us dont know what business is about. Youre just completely missing the point of this discussion.

 

I don't think so. The point is, they made the device so you could only use it on one vehicle at a time and you think it's because they're money grubbing ^*#@ers. They engineered and designed the device the way it is so we, the consumer, have to pay whatever price they ask, if we want the benefits. They have put a price on the amount of engineering and R&D they have put into it. If we don't think that's fair, we could engineer and design our own device that would work on as many vehicles as we wanted.

 

I agree with that and don’t think there is anything wrong with that. What I don’t agree with, if it’s actually true, is it can only be used on one vehicle period. In other words if you buy it for your truck you could never use it on your car.

Maybe you’re just not getting my point in my threads. Yes it should be locked to one vehicle “at a time” but it should have the ability to use on as many vehicles as the owner wants to “so long” as only one vehicle can hold a custom tune at a time…

 

Don't know if that's possible. Maybe Mike T. will see this and give an answer.

 

Just to make it clear, if it was not possible to do this then it would have nothing to do with Mike. It would be a function of the flash programmer. I hope nobody took my post to mean that Mike would not accommodate this due to profit but rather SCT.

 

If you sell your current vehicle, the Xcalibrator can flash that vehicle back to stock, and then be unlocked, and custom programmed for your new compatible ford vehicle, so your not stuck purchasing another one for a new truck, if you are able to flash the first vehicle back to stock first.

This was done to allow you to purchase a new vehicle, and contunue to use the same tuner, something that no other tuner really lets you do, with as much flexibility for your next purchase. Typical situation, average customer won't sell a 2003 F150 and buy another 2003 truck, where you will probaly buy a 2005, which is a totally different pcm type.

You could sell your F150, and purchase a focus, and your Xcalibrator could be programmed for that vehicle as well.

If you have any other questions, fell free to e-mail me Ryan@sctflash.com

Ryan

 

So the owner does have the ability to use the XCal2 on different vehicles he/she owns as long as only one has a custom tune at one time? From your post that appears to be what you’re stating, of course that is with a tuner programing different programs for the different vehicles (i.e. F150, Ranger, and Focus).

So is it true an owner could store their custom programs on their PC and/or CD for safe keeping? I would think that would be the case since some tuners can actually email programs to their customers.