will the superchip increase MPG while giving performance??

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Old Mar 18, 2001 | 03:05 PM
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I have a 2000 4x4 expedition 5.4 liter 3.55 slip. I am getting 14-15mpg right now. I am going to be adding the K&N FIPK, which should help a little. I drive the truck conservative but I want to be able to move when it has to. Will the Superchip allow both the increase in MPG and performance????
 
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Old Mar 18, 2001 | 03:27 PM
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Hi Quadkeys,

Given how you've stated you drive your vehicle, you should hopefully be able to see a small gain, and I'll try to explain a bit.....

I think the best way to describe the Superchip's capabilities in this regard is to say that yes, it does have the *potential* to improve mpg by a small amount, but whether you actually see a true increase in gas mileage or not will depend on 2 primary factors: how the vehicle is operated (speed, load, conditions, etc.), and the energy content of the fuel being burned.

The potential increase in mpg is merely a by-product of the increased spark advance used on part-throttle in the Superchip's programming for premium gasoline; so the results depend on those 2 primary factors described above, how the vehicle is operated and the fuel quality. (Note: Yes, the Superchip requries the use of premium gasoline, as that is the only way engine power output can be increase via powertrain programming, by tuning specifically for the use of premium gasoline. We also offer a 2-program chip that allows you to use either regular or premium gas at your choice)

Many owners of V-8 automatic F-150's & Expeditions report back with gains averaging about 1.5-2.0 more mpg, when not using a lot of heavy throttle. And there are those who do not see mileage gains, for example, many times people are anxious to check out the new performance levels with the Superchip installed, and so will drive the vehicle harder for the first few tanks of gas, or first few months even, and if that happens, then of course mileage will not improve, and may even go down a bit, that will depend on how hard it's driven in comparison to previous operating conditions.

Then there are others who will use the cheapest premium gas available because the Superchip requries the use of premium gas, and so end up with a premium gas whose energy content (BTU's per gallon or lb. of fuel) is actually lower than that of the regular gas previously being used prior to installation of the Superchip, and so see no gain or even a small mileage drop just from using the lower energy content fuel.

All else being equal (meaning, how the vehicle is operated and fuel quality), the Superchip can give you about 1.5-2.0 more mpg in these vehicles. And there have been a few people who have reported even larger gains, up to as much as 3.5 more mpg, but that is very rare, and not the "norm". All in all, many people report back seeing about 1.5-2.0 more mpg, with a mix of city & highway driving, and not doing a lot of heavy towing or using a lot of heavy throttle.

One way to think of this is that it's either/or, meaning, if you take advantage of the increased power from the Superchip, chances are you won't see any increase in mileage; but if you drive it conservatively, you stand the best chance of seeing an increase in mpg, using good quality fuel. If most of your driving is city stop and go traffic, or doing a lot of heavy towing, etc., then chances are you won't see a gain. It just all depends on how you drive the vehicle, and the quality of fuel being used. Yes, I've said that several tiems in this post, because it bears repeating, it is essential to use the best quality fuel if you want the best reuslts from the Superchip. It's not just a matter of the octane numbers, but rather it is a combination of the octane and the actual BTU content that make up basic fuel "quality" as we're discussing it.

All of this having been said, we've been lucky in that every single one of our vehicles over the past 10 years has been Superchipped, and every one has also shown mpg gains, as they're driven conservatively most of the time. Increased mileage should never be the sole reason for purchasing a Superchip, as it is first and foremost a performance chip; even though many people, and most of our customers do see a bit of a gain in mileage just from the increased spark advance used on part-throttle in the Superchip, there is no such thing as a "gas mileage chip" per se.

If you'd like to go over this in more detail, please feel free to give us a call (M-F 10-7 Eastern), and we'll be happy to go over your basic operating conditions, fuels available to you in your area, etc. so you can give it some thought.

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Old Mar 18, 2001 | 06:41 PM
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I'm sure what to think of these Superchips. It seems to me this site (which I like BTW) just seems to be an easy way for you guys to push your stuff. Now maybe I think the Black Helicopters (Conspiricy) are flying over all the time but I cant help but think these posts are just set ups for your length sales pitch of reply.

I think if this product was as great as you say a money back type plan would be in order.

Thanks for listening.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Superchips_Distributor:
Hi Quadkeys,

Given how you've stated you drive your vehicle, you should hopefully be able to see a small gain, and I'll try to explain a bit.....

I think the best way to describe the Superchip's capabilities in this regard is to say that yes, it does have the *potential* to improve mpg by a small amount, but whether you actually see a true increase in gas mileage or not will depend on 2 primary factors: how the vehicle is operated (speed, load, conditions, etc.), and the energy content of the fuel being burned.

The potential increase in mpg is merely a by-product of the increased spark advance used on part-throttle in the Superchip's programming for premium gasoline; so the results depend on those 2 primary factors described above, how the vehicle is operated and the fuel quality. (Note: Yes, the Superchip requries the use of premium gasoline, as that is the only way engine power output can be increase via powertrain programming, by tuning specifically for the use of premium gasoline. We also offer a 2-program chip that allows you to use either regular or premium gas at your choice)

Many owners of V-8 automatic F-150's & Expeditions report back with gains averaging about 1.5-2.0 more mpg, when not using a lot of heavy throttle. And there are those who do not see mileage gains, for example, many times people are anxious to check out the new performance levels with the Superchip installed, and so will drive the vehicle harder for the first few tanks of gas, or first few months even, and if that happens, then of course mileage will not improve, and may even go down a bit, that will depend on how hard it's driven in comparison to previous operating conditions.

Then there are others who will use the cheapest premium gas available because the Superchip requries the use of premium gas, and so end up with a premium gas whose energy content (BTU's per gallon or lb. of fuel) is actually lower than that of the regular gas previously being used prior to installation of the Superchip, and so see no gain or even a small mileage drop just from using the lower energy content fuel.

All else being equal (meaning, how the vehicle is operated and fuel quality), the Superchip can give you about 1.5-2.0 more mpg in these vehicles. And there have been a few people who have reported even larger gains, up to as much as 3.5 more mpg, but that is very rare, and not the "norm". All in all, many people report back seeing about 1.5-2.0 more mpg, with a mix of city & highway driving, and not doing a lot of heavy towing or using a lot of heavy throttle.

One way to think of this is that it's either/or, meaning, if you take advantage of the increased power from the Superchip, chances are you won't see any increase in mileage; but if you drive it conservatively, you stand the best chance of seeing an increase in mpg, using good quality fuel. If most of your driving is city stop and go traffic, or doing a lot of heavy towing, etc., then chances are you won't see a gain. It just all depends on how you drive the vehicle, and the quality of fuel being used. Yes, I've said that several tiems in this post, because it bears repeating, it is essential to use the best quality fuel if you want the best reuslts from the Superchip. It's not just a matter of the octane numbers, but rather it is a combination of the octane and the actual BTU content that make up basic fuel "quality" as we're discussing it.

All of this having been said, we've been lucky in that every single one of our vehicles over the past 10 years has been Superchipped, and every one has also shown mpg gains, as they're driven conservatively most of the time. Increased mileage should never be the sole reason for purchasing a Superchip, as it is first and foremost a performance chip; even though many people, and most of our customers do see a bit of a gain in mileage just from the increased spark advance used on part-throttle in the Superchip, there is no such thing as a "gas mileage chip" per se.

If you'd like to go over this in more detail, please feel free to give us a call (M-F 10-7 Eastern), and we'll be happy to go over your basic operating conditions, fuels available to you in your area, etc. so you can give it some thought.

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Old Mar 19, 2001 | 01:00 PM
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JNB, Mike Troyer DOES have a money back gaurantee. Last year I purchased a chip from Mike, but foolishly asked the service manager at the local Ford dealership about the chip "disturbing" any warranty work that may be needed in the near future. I was advised that while it DID NOT void the warranty, there would be a question as to "things" that "Could" happen due to the installation of the chip ( which is a smoke show for sure!). I chickened out like a fool and called Mike immediately and reviewed my concerns with him. Mike understood my apprehension and allowed me to return the unopened package the same day for a full refund less shipping. What I see here is a guy that takes pretty damn good care of customers that choose to use a product that he markets and represents quite well. The knowledge I have personally gained from reading his answers has surely assisted in my understanding of these Ford engines and their potential. After my warranty period, I WILL be contacting Mike again and chipping my truck due to his and several thousand other peoples results with this product. Of coarse there are people that expect 25 extra H.P to allow a 5000 Lb. truck to melt the living hell out of their tires, which is an unreasonable expectation for a truck as far as I'm concerned. Mainly, I'm looking for the shifting charactoristics to be changed and put a bit more snap into this little 4.2. A few hundred bucks is not alot of money for a mod these days, compared with the positive results I've read about this product. (Nice rant huh??)........
The moral of my story is : Dont ask a service manager questions if you dont want to hear his answers!!. LOL.......
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Old Mar 19, 2001 | 02:06 PM
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Hi jnb412,

You are entitled to your opinion, however, you're dead wrong in thinking that anyone is posting things here just so we can make a sales pitch, that's untrue and one of the more absurd things I've heard.

People here tend make up their opinions about us based on their actual experience from doing business with us, so they have direct experience in dealing with us as a customer. That tends to give a lot more accurate knowledge about what we really do than just coming on here and imagining conspiracies about things you've never experienced with us.

We do our level best to insure that all of our customers are satisfied, and with a satisfaction rate of just over 98%, we feel we're on the right track.

The bottom line is that it's easy to take silly pot shots, however, you might be much better off trying to deal with real facts instead of imagining conspiracies all around you.

In addition, you might be interested to know that we donate what profits are left after our support of this web site to charity, as my family has devoted our lives to helping those less fortunate who cannot help themselves. So we do not profit from this, unlike most companies you'll ever find, and that puts us in a position where what we do is not motivated by a desire to line our pockets.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, you might want to think about basing your on facts rather than imaginary conspiracies here on F-150 Online.

Our bests to all,
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Old Mar 19, 2001 | 02:43 PM
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my superchip does just what mike says it will do. btw, my mileage went from 16+ to 18+ after installing the chip. love the way it changed the auto trans.---firmer, snappier shifts. dan/renegade
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Superchips_Distributor:
Hi jnb412,

You are entitled to your opinion, however, you're dead wrong in thinking that anyone is posting things here just so we can make a sales pitch, that's untrue and one of the more absurd things I've heard.

People here tend make up their opinions about us based on their actual experience from doing business with us, so they have direct experience in dealing with us as a customer. That tends to give a lot more accurate knowledge about what we really do than just coming on here and imagining conspiracies about things you've never experienced with us.

We do our level best to insure that all of our customers are satisfied, and with a satisfaction rate of just over 98%, we feel we're on the right track.

The bottom line is that it's easy to take silly pot shots, however, you might be much better off trying to deal with real facts instead of imagining conspiracies all around you.

In addition, you might be interested to know that we donate what profits are left after our support of this web site to charity, as my family has devoted our lives to helping those less fortunate who cannot help themselves. So we do not profit from this, unlike most companies you'll ever find, and that puts us in a position where what we do is not motivated by a desire to line our pockets.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, you might want to think about basing your on facts rather than imaginary conspiracies here on F-150 Online.

Our bests to all,
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Old Mar 19, 2001 | 04:54 PM
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I have a 00 EB EXPY. we bought new on9/1/00.
I started out at 12.7 mpg.After installing superchip,k&n air filter, royal purple oil,and 5000 miles, mileage has gone to 14.8.
Having the gibson put on this weekend, so maybe Ill see more improvement. If your getting 14-15 with a 4x4 and the 5.4, your doing REALLY well as it is! The superchip is worth every penny!!!



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Old Mar 19, 2001 | 09:30 PM
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DO searches on my posts. They're probably so long and boring you'll get sick of them but I do post honest results. I can now get much better milage. I was driving more conservativly and now running without care to see the difference. I'm still getting about 1.5 better around town and my toe is getting more exersize recently. Hwy I'm getting 3+ MPG better.

You can drive it to feel the chip and you'll not get any better MPG, but you'll notice the performance you're getting in lieu of it.

DO searches and read before coming to any hasty conclusions. And hey, Mike's really respected here. IN your searching topics about the chip, look at the replies about Mike. 95% very positive, 3% really positive, 1% lonely confrontational guys and 1% completly ignorant idiots, but really funny to read!

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Old Mar 19, 2001 | 09:50 PM
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A few weeks ago I was interested in the possible benefits of installing a Superchip on my 5.4L Expedition. I read everything possible on these boards and greatly appreciated the detailed info that Mike provided. I believe if anything he works hard to dispell any myths that might encourage someone from expecting too much.
Well, last week I ordered my chip and made an error in the process with my card number#.
I received a friendly response and corrected the mistake and recieved my chip the next day.
Last Saturday I installed my chip following the excellent directions.
I had intended to hold off from reporting the results for one week simply because they were beyond all expectations. I'm somewhat shocked by the difference. It seems the tach is now directly connected to the gas petal. I spend a fair amount of time at 1800 rpms in overdrive commuting but now even in overdrive and at low rpms I have power to accelerate. Of course in the power range and out of overdrive the truck takes off with abandon. I'm not a setup but man is my truck now setup. Great confort when passing. Good info from Mike at Superchips.
Thanks again, I think I'm having fun.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jnb412:
I'm sure what to think of these Superchips. It seems to me this site (which I like BTW) just seems to be an easy way for you guys to push your stuff. Now maybe I think the Black Helicopters (Conspiricy) are flying over all the time but I cant help but think these posts are just set ups for your length sales pitch of reply.

I think if this product was as great as you say a money back type plan would be in order.

Thanks for listening.
Joe
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Old Apr 6, 2001 | 02:22 PM
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This constant bickering between these two needs to stop. I'm sure this Message Board wasn't designed for taring at each other reputations as knowledgeable F150ers. I read these messages to be informed about my truck and to relate to others that have the same issues with their trucks that I have, so PLEASE STATE FACTS ONLY, and stop the bickering. PLEASE!
 
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Old Apr 7, 2001 | 08:02 PM
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So far, I have not experienced much of a MPG gain in this truck. Performance gain has been great though.

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Old Apr 7, 2001 | 08:41 PM
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What octane is necessary if chipped? Will you get similar gains with the dual program that allows reg gas?

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