I'm sorry for multipul post regarding basically the same topic. I've been trying to decide between the Hypertech & Micro Tuner. I would say, I've probably gotten a 90% thumbs up for the Micro Tuner. I understand allot of this feedback is due to Mike's (w/superchips) great customer service, but I wanted some facts to back it up. I've contacted both Hypertech & Micro Tuner's and asked questionboth Hypertech & Micro Tuner's and asked questions. I figured the ONLY way for me to decide for myself would be to try both. I just installed the Hypertech and will run it for a couple days. In the mean time, I'm ordering the Micro Tuner. Once I receive it, I will install and run it for a couple days. Due to the 30 day return policy, I will not be able to test both 87-92 octane programs. To make the test fair, I'm going to use the 87 program with both units. In the long run it will cost me a little extra shipping, but I will know first hand. I'm kind of surprised I didn't get a reply to my questions for Mike. It's under Superchips titled Question for Mike? I'm sure he's busy and might still be a little sick. I will post my results within the next week or so. Thank you for reading. FYI- The Micro Tuner NOW gives you the option to program for both 87-92 octane. The main reason I looked into this so hard was I wanted to keep running 87 and didn't know this feature is now available on both units. (Hypertech was the only one that allowes duel fuel until recently) What do you run in your 5.4? Thanks again!!

 

richgonfishn,

You really should do your testing using the higher octane fuel if you really want to know the difference! It's my understanding SuperChips tunes at all throttle positions and Hypertech only tunes for WOT. They probably both apply similar tweaks to the transmission performance. If this is the case you're not going to get a true reflection of the differences between the two. You'll know the differences in how each tweaks the transmission shifts, but your missing the biggest part of the function of a performance chip!

Just my 2 cents...

 

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Paul, I appreciate your feedback. It seems like 99% of the people on this site think the Hypertech III only works at WOT. This is simply not true. It is as advanced as the Micro tuner. The unit works through-out the entire RPM range. When you go through the program, you have the option to choose from rev limiter to shift rpm. It's quite advanced.

As far as the 87 octane. I plan on running 87 and want to test the programs of what I plan on using. Of course I'd test the 92 if I planned on spending an extra .20 for each gollan of gas. I fully understand the performance would be better with the 92, but I'm simply looking for better performance without the extra cost of premium. I have a SuperCip in my 98 and it requires 92 or higher.

Thanks again for your input.

 

I guess I stand corrected! After posting that response, I read your post with the reply from Hypertech in another thread. I was basing my comment on all the information I have garned from this site over the years! Thanks for the update!

 

Just think if everyone did that. wasted time by the dealer who talked to you, ship it, run your credit card, then have to re-inventory it, repackage it, wonder if it has been damaged, credit your credit card. I cant speak for mike or anyone else but i Would not sale you anything, you are the type of customer that i dont need. good for you but i dont agree with your choice of action.

 

Considering there is a 30 day MONEY BACK Guarantee Policy, I don't think I'm doing anything any concerned consumer would do. Regardless of which I keep, I should be happy with it. Do you really think be me sitting down and downloading a 15 minute program will : form-data; name="message"

Considering there is a 30 day MONEY BACK Guarantee Policy, I don't think I'm doing anything any concerned consumer would do. Regardless of which I keep, I should be happy with it. Do you really think be me sitting down and downloading a 15 minute program will damage the unit? Give me a break... if that's that case the product is crap!! Why are you concerned with my credit card? Have you never returned an item? You must be one of the guys who says, "oh well, I'm not happy with it, but since the salesman was good so I'll keep it anyway. Luckily the dealer I'm working with has NO problem with what I'm doing. Good customer service means the customer is happy. Now if I was to do this for testing purposes only, and had no intention of even buy either one. I would agree with you, it would not be good. I've tried to avoid this, but you get soooooo many opinions you have no idea what to get. Either way, the dealer makes a sale. And for your information... I'm willing to pay the extra shipping to make sure I'm making the best choice. Thanks for the input, be like you, I don't agree with your post. Have a nice day.

 

do i think it will damage the product no, the fact is the dealer has a new product, that has been shipped form him to you, it sat on your kitchen table and was played with and is now shipped back. (how would you like to buy a new product and then find out somebody had it for 30 days, is it still NEW?)

i could not careless about your credit card but the dealers gets a service charge on his account and has to spend the time to run it the first time, then run it again to credit your account.

i return thing, but i dont buy 2, run them both and then return one or both just for my own experiment.

as for the customer service crap. "the customer is always right" is from a different more honest time, not from today when you have people like you abusing the 30 day policy. btw, i run my own company with 15 employees, i do OK with running it and knowing when i have a good customer or one that will cost me time and money.

bottom line, time is money and you are wasting someones time with your experiment. glad it fun for you but make no mistake , you are costing one or both of the dealers money.

 

I'm sorry you're so unhappy, but my buying habits should be no concern of yours. As far as the 30 day policy, that is WHY it's there!!! I will run the Hypertech to 2-3 DAYS and then the Micro Tuner for 2-3 DAYS!! Ok, let's look c0175201b8
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I'm sorry you're so unhappy, but my buying habits should be no concern of yours. As far as the 30 day policy, that is WHY it's there!!! I will run the Hypertech to 2-3 DAYS and then the Micro Tuner for 2-3 DAYS!! Ok, let's look at it like this. I've done allot of research on both products and have found NO real fact information why one is better than the other. I buy the Hypertech and run it. I find I'm not 100% happy with it. I decide to return it. I then go out and buy the Micro Tuner. I install it and then find out I was more impressed with the Hypertech. Now, I have to return the Micro Tuner and BUY the Hypertech all over again. Ok, not I've costed me and the person I'm buying from more time and money. I think you said, time was money. This is NO experiment. I understand time is money, but the bottom line is I want to be happy with my purchase. As far as being a good customer. I purchased $1000.00 worth of items from this person. So what it I'm not happy with one of the units. The fact is I will contiue to buy from this person because they are honest and have great customer service. You often get what you pay for. I also am self employed and if my customer is NOT happy with an item, I will take it back and make sure they get what they want. Good Luck and try some anger managment classes.

 

Hi Paul,

You might not want to "stand corrected" on this, as if you pay close attention to that claim you'll see that "tuning at any rpm" is not the same as "tuning on part-throttle," and has nothing to do with "tuning on part-throttle" like Superchips does.......................

It's exactly what it says it is, "tuning at any rpm," and nothing more. Something that all chipmakers do, by the way.

"Tuning at any rpm" has *NOTHING* to do with throttle position. Notice that the words "throttle position" don't appear anywhere in that claim. And of course, neither do the words "part-throttle" or "closed loop," either. Hypertech has used that same marketing for years, and they're being truthful - all they are saying is that they are "tuning at any rpm" - which is true, sure they are - but only as long as the vehicle is in open loop, which for them starts at about 82% throttle opening - which is why it's basically called full-throttle only tuning.

Remember, you can be at full-throttle at *ANY* rpm - and you can *tune* at any rpm - but that has nothing to do with tuning on part-throttle in closed loop.

I just thought you might want to know what that claim is actually saying, and what it does and does *not* mean, as it can indeed fool people just as it fooled Rich and a lot of other people over the years.

Enjoy your weekend,

 

Mike,

Thanks for the clarification! It makes sense when you think about it, from a dead stop you don't start at red line, but you do start with your foot to the floor! I guess I have been paying attention here!

 

"As far as the 30 day policy, that is WHY it's there!!! I will run the Hypertech to 2-3 DAYS and then the Micro Tuner for 2-3 DAYS!! Ok, let's look at it like this. I've done allot of research on both products and have found NO real fact information why one is better than the other. I buy the Hypertech and run it. I find I'm not 100% happy with it. I decide to return it."

i have a feeling that you are not 100% happy with anything.

from another thread 1/14/04

.i am just so angry

 

The post you found proves I'm a good honest customer. After purchasing the Hypertech III, I was informed about the Micro Tuner and became interested. I have a SuperChip in my 98 F-150. I purchased the chip from Mike and was very pleased with him and his service. I was not aware that SuperChip even made a programmer. The reason I feel the post shows I'm honest is once I heard about the Micro tuner, I immediately called the store I had purchas I heard about the Micro tuner, I immediately called the store I had purchast shows I'm honest is once I heard about the Micro tuner, I immediately called the store I had purchased the Hypertech from. I asked if they sold the Micro Tuner. They did and I explained I had just ordered the Hypertech and was expecting it soon. I asked which product he thought was better. He stated he personally had the Micro Tuner and was VERY happy with it. At that point I asked him what their return policy was. I told him I didn't want to open the Hypertech if there would be a problem returning it. The Hypertech box can easily be opened and nobody would even know it. I could of used the programmer without telling him, but I was HONEST. He is the one who actually told me if I wasn't happy with the Hypertech I could return it and get the Micro Tuner. He knew I wanted which ever product produced the best performance. I was also the one who offered to pay for the FREE shipping they had included in the purchase of the Hypertech. I did NOT plan on trying both units. I made the decision to buy the Hypertech, but after it was on it's way, I learned the Micro Tuner is probably a better choice. I called 4-5 truck super stores in my area and learned every guy I spoke to personally used the Micro Tuner in their trucks. I then wanted to know I would have the oppurtunity to exchange the Hypertech for the Micro Tuner. (of course I will only do this if I feel the Micro Tuner is better)

Paul, I wasn't trying to be rude with you. It's no excuse,t shows I'm honest is once I heard about the Micro tuner, I immediately called the store I had purchased the Hypertech from. I asked if they sold the Micro Tuner. They did and I explained I had just ordered the Hypertech and was expecting it soon. I asked which product he thought was better. He stated he personally had the Micro Tuner and was VERY happy with it. At that point I asked him what their return policy was. I told him I didn't want to open the Hypertech if there would be a problem returning it. The Hypertech box can easily be opened and nobody would even know it. I could of used the programmer without telling him, but I was HONEST. He is the one who actually told me if I wasn't happy with the Hypertech I could return it and get the Micro Tuner. He knew I wanted which ever product produced the best performance. I was also the one who offered to pay for the FREE shipping they had included in the purchase of the Hypertech. I did NOT plan on trying both units. I made the decision to buy the Hypertech, but after it was on it's way, I learned the Micro Tuner is probably a better choice. I called 4-5 truck super stores in my area and learned every guy I spoke to personally used the Micro Tuner in their trucks. I then wanted to know I would have the oppurtunity to exchange the Hypertech for the Micro Tuner. (of course I will only do this if I feel the Micro Tuner is better)

Paul, I wasn't trying to be rude with you. It's no excuse, but I've had one of those days. To top it off, I BROKE my right ELBOW today. Of course I'm right handed and can't do anything with my left. I took your original post as an insult to me. It seemed as if you were attacking me. I'm simply a guy with a new truck and I'm excited about smashing the pedal to the floor. I should of been a race care driver. LOL I'm not trying to waste anyone's time. I'm a guy who likes to fish and wishes he was better at working on his truck. I ask allot of questions because I like to try and make educated decisions. I appologize for coming off as rude. I'm a good guy as I'm sure you are as well. I do appreciate all feedback you guys give.

What type of work do you do? I know you stated you have your own business. I was laid-off three years ago and started StaRRtel Communications. We install Business Norstar Phone & Voicemail Systems. I have to say 2004 hasn't started off to well. The economy is struggling and then I go and break my elbow.

Thanks again for your feedback.

Have a great evening....

 

I'm not sure why some of my posts double part or all of my replies. It's irratating and don't know how to correct it. Maybe it's my broken elbow? LOL

Any suggestions?

Thank you,
Rich

 

personally I think you're wasting YOUR time as well as everyone elses. You're not going to learn anything running the two programers on the 87 octane programs. All you're going to get are the shift mods and a good tuneup. There is only so much performance you can get (BTUs) from 87 octane. You'll probably run the cheapest crap you can find. You sound like a real penny pincher. That won't help much either. The only way you'll learn anything is to run the Max 91 tune on each tuner and run each one for at least a couple hundred miles on the best 91+ octane gas you can find. The Superchip tuner, by the way, has three programs. a 87 and two 91 octane programs. I run mine on the tow performance program in the summer when I tow and the 87 program in the winter. when I go back to the 87 octane my truck runs great. Better then stock but not that much stronger. You're looking for that "magic bullit". You want performance but you don't want to pay for it. I think you and this thread are getting ridicules. Just my opinion.

 

Thanks for your opinion. I've been running 92 octane in my 98 4.6 for the past few years.... not sure where the penny pinching opinion comes in, but that's fine. If the thread is ridicules, why are you wasting your time reading and replying to it? I'm sure there are others who are interested in the results. I UNDERSTAND I'd get more performance with the 92 octane. I'm simply trying to compare the two units. What is wrong with tr 92 octane. I'm simply trying to compare the two units. What is wrong with trying to find out which unit performs better. Also, if I wasn't willing to pay, why would I be willing to pay the $80.00 difference between the Hypertech & Micro Tuner? Also a penny pincher wouldn't of gone out and purchased a K&N intake kit, Flowmaster exhaust, Husky liners etc etc...

Thanks again, but not sure why the negative post?