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Jet or Superchip
I am considering a superchip but the only thing that would hold me back, is fuel economy, and running on 91 instead of 87, im also getting a k&n filter to go along with this, so should the fuel economy even out with the high mpg that comes with the air filter, and about how much more does 91 cost than 87, also are JET's any good?
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Most of us have been at the exact same point you are right now. Most of us have looked into the chips and programmers avalible for our trucks and most of us end up using Superchips. I was intrigued by the Hypertech Power Programmer. Boy am I glad I came here before I dropped my money on one of thoes.
When you are searching for better performance you have to be prepaired to make some sacrifices. Using 91 as apposed to 87 may end up costing you more, primarily because you will have a tendancy to want to feel the better perforemance. If you were a very mellow driver you might actually see an improvement in mileage using a chip and 91.
There is only so much that can be done to improve performance with 87. We have to use the higher octane because it's the only way to support real improvements. You have the option of going with a dual program setup that will allow you to use either 87 or 91. You will have less improvement with 87 than 91 but you do have the option.
Mike Troyer will set you straight. He has done the same for most of us. You will be able to do what you want, as there are products that will work for you.
Stick around. This may just be the beginning. It was for me. First a chip then......
Have fun!
When you are searching for better performance you have to be prepaired to make some sacrifices. Using 91 as apposed to 87 may end up costing you more, primarily because you will have a tendancy to want to feel the better perforemance. If you were a very mellow driver you might actually see an improvement in mileage using a chip and 91.
There is only so much that can be done to improve performance with 87. We have to use the higher octane because it's the only way to support real improvements. You have the option of going with a dual program setup that will allow you to use either 87 or 91. You will have less improvement with 87 than 91 but you do have the option.
Mike Troyer will set you straight. He has done the same for most of us. You will be able to do what you want, as there are products that will work for you.
Stick around. This may just be the beginning. It was for me. First a chip then......
Have fun!
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My cost for fuel using the Microtuner from Mike is about $12 a month....the difference in a tank of fuel here in Portland Oregon is about $5 or so. The interesting thing is that I get about 1.3 mpg better with the chip vs without it. Several people have done a lot of calculations regarding this and for the most part, the numbers say that the cost for using the chip is about the same or jsut a bit more per month, nothing dramatic. You can always add electric fans and underdrive pulleys to help with the fuel economy as well, although anytime you start to do mods to improve mileage, the amount of money spent on the mods tend to take a long time to recover with the savings on fuel.
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Hi fb,
You've already received some good responses, so I'll just touch base on a couple of things briefly..........
The single best bang for the buck performance-wise is to have the powertrain program in your vehicle optimized, and in terms of what will actually give you the best optimization of the powertrain program, the Superchips tuning is the way to go, and is *far* better than Jet. Spend some time reading these message boards & you'll quickly see most people prefer the Superchip.
Ed made some excellent observations regarding the very small additional cost to run with the Superchips tuning on premium gas, it's really not a factor as it's such as small amount.
Just so you'll know what to expect realistically, you're not going to see a real mpg gain from a drop-in K&N air filter, or even from a complete intake kit. You might see another .25 mpg from a drop-in filter, and maybe another .50 mpg from a complete intake kit. Some people install an intake kit & claim they got 2.0 more mpg, but I've *never* seen that happen on any of our vehicles. Just don't get your hopes up for seeing a really significant mpg increase you can feel in your wallet with an air filter, as that won't happen. Now most people do see an increase in mpg from the Superchips tuning, *when* they can keep their foot out of the throttle, of course, and that is why the increase in fuel costs to use the Superchips tuning & run premium gas is so low.
Please feel free to give us a call to go over this in more detail if you like, and you can also read all about the various Superchips products for your vehicle at our web site, over at www.TroyerPerformance.com - when you get there, click on "Shop" and then when you see the Superchips, click on "List by Vehicle Type" so you can just see the FoMoCo vehicle information and don't have to wade thru all the GM & Mopar stuff. We've given extremely detailed descriptions of features & benefits that will help you quite a bit.
With regard to the cost delta between 87 and premium gas, the national average is 20 cents per gallon, but you won't have that much in actual additional costs to use the Superchips tuning, unless you run your truck like a race car all the time. Some of that average of 20 cents per gallon will be made up for by the increased mpg from the Superchip, as Ed described in his post. Not *all* of it, but some, enough so that your actual increase in gasoline costs overall are in reality very small to use the Superchips tuning.
By the way, one last comment just as an aside, you might want to re-think your choice of screen names here. What you have chosen is *very* obvious, and isn't exactly mature or polite. It could potentially affect how some people may respond to you here. For example, I wouldn't use it to address you in this response. Just a thought, my friend...........
Best of luck with your truck, & we hope you'll hang out here with us in your spare time. This is a *great* place to learn all about your truck, how to get it's performance where you want it, & so many other things!
Have fun,
You've already received some good responses, so I'll just touch base on a couple of things briefly..........
The single best bang for the buck performance-wise is to have the powertrain program in your vehicle optimized, and in terms of what will actually give you the best optimization of the powertrain program, the Superchips tuning is the way to go, and is *far* better than Jet. Spend some time reading these message boards & you'll quickly see most people prefer the Superchip.
Ed made some excellent observations regarding the very small additional cost to run with the Superchips tuning on premium gas, it's really not a factor as it's such as small amount.
Just so you'll know what to expect realistically, you're not going to see a real mpg gain from a drop-in K&N air filter, or even from a complete intake kit. You might see another .25 mpg from a drop-in filter, and maybe another .50 mpg from a complete intake kit. Some people install an intake kit & claim they got 2.0 more mpg, but I've *never* seen that happen on any of our vehicles. Just don't get your hopes up for seeing a really significant mpg increase you can feel in your wallet with an air filter, as that won't happen. Now most people do see an increase in mpg from the Superchips tuning, *when* they can keep their foot out of the throttle, of course, and that is why the increase in fuel costs to use the Superchips tuning & run premium gas is so low.
Please feel free to give us a call to go over this in more detail if you like, and you can also read all about the various Superchips products for your vehicle at our web site, over at www.TroyerPerformance.com - when you get there, click on "Shop" and then when you see the Superchips, click on "List by Vehicle Type" so you can just see the FoMoCo vehicle information and don't have to wade thru all the GM & Mopar stuff. We've given extremely detailed descriptions of features & benefits that will help you quite a bit.
With regard to the cost delta between 87 and premium gas, the national average is 20 cents per gallon, but you won't have that much in actual additional costs to use the Superchips tuning, unless you run your truck like a race car all the time. Some of that average of 20 cents per gallon will be made up for by the increased mpg from the Superchip, as Ed described in his post. Not *all* of it, but some, enough so that your actual increase in gasoline costs overall are in reality very small to use the Superchips tuning.
By the way, one last comment just as an aside, you might want to re-think your choice of screen names here. What you have chosen is *very* obvious, and isn't exactly mature or polite. It could potentially affect how some people may respond to you here. For example, I wouldn't use it to address you in this response. Just a thought, my friend...........
Best of luck with your truck, & we hope you'll hang out here with us in your spare time. This is a *great* place to learn all about your truck, how to get it's performance where you want it, & so many other things!
Have fun,
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well, i read my post ^^^ and i thought to myself "what was i thinking", so now im wondering what the horsepower gains of a k&n fipk are, if its even worth the $220, i think i need it to go along with my true duals and the soon to have superchip, so everything should flow pretty much unrestricted and have a pretty fast truck.
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Hi fb,
In my previous response I may have given you some incorrect info as I took your post literally, and so I thought you were referring to just a simple drop-in K&N air filter element being used in the factory air intake tract. I didn't realize you were talking about the complete K&N FIPK intake kit, so I wanted to drop you a quick note to get you more accurate info.
There's a BIG difference between the 2 in terms of power gains, and some difference in the potential for mpg improvement between the 2 different parts, so I'll give you some accurate info directly about the K&N FIPK kit:
In terms of the raw power gains, the K&N FIPK kit delivers about a 12 hp gain on the 4.6 motors, and 14-15 HP on the 5.4 motors in these F-150's & Expeditions, etc. Using just a drop-in K&N air filter element in the factory air intake tract would get you maybe 5 HP or so, so it's definitely worth getting the complete intake kit power-wise.
The K&N FIPK kit does have a bit more potential for improving fuel mileage compared to a simple drop-in K&N air filter element, but it's still not going to be "large," just to give you an idea. We normally see maybe .50 more mpg (about 1/2 more mile per gallon) from just about any intake kit. So while it's true that the FIPK kit will give you more potential for improving mpg than a drop-in K&N air filter element in the factory intake would, it's still not going to be anything like oh, say, a 2.0 mpg gain, for example.
The K&N FIPK kit is worth it's cost in terms of it's power gain, so I don't think that's a mistake at all. Now if you want the very *best*intake kit that will get you the highest power gains and use the highest quality materials, that would be the Air Force One intake system.
If you already have the K&N FIPK kit I wouldn't change it, as it will do a fine job. But if you haven't picked it up yet, then you might want to take a look at the Air Force One intake system instead.
You'll get higher power gains (15 HP on 4.6 & 17.9 HP on 5.4, for example), and the Air Force One is made of aircraft-grade & mirror-polished T304 stainless steel, and will look beautiful under your hood, no cheap black plastic. The AF1 uses the highest quality materials and is just about the same price as the KI&N FIPK kit.
You can see all the info on the Air Force One intake system over at our web site. It's located at www.TroyerPerformance.com - when the home page loads, click on "Shop," and then when you find the Intake section, just click on "List by Vehicle Type," so you don't have to wade thru all the GM & Mopar intakes, but instead can just see the Ford intakes.
I hope that info helps you a bit better, feel free to give us a call if you need any help with this, & best of luck whatever you decide!
In my previous response I may have given you some incorrect info as I took your post literally, and so I thought you were referring to just a simple drop-in K&N air filter element being used in the factory air intake tract. I didn't realize you were talking about the complete K&N FIPK intake kit, so I wanted to drop you a quick note to get you more accurate info.
There's a BIG difference between the 2 in terms of power gains, and some difference in the potential for mpg improvement between the 2 different parts, so I'll give you some accurate info directly about the K&N FIPK kit:
In terms of the raw power gains, the K&N FIPK kit delivers about a 12 hp gain on the 4.6 motors, and 14-15 HP on the 5.4 motors in these F-150's & Expeditions, etc. Using just a drop-in K&N air filter element in the factory air intake tract would get you maybe 5 HP or so, so it's definitely worth getting the complete intake kit power-wise.
The K&N FIPK kit does have a bit more potential for improving fuel mileage compared to a simple drop-in K&N air filter element, but it's still not going to be "large," just to give you an idea. We normally see maybe .50 more mpg (about 1/2 more mile per gallon) from just about any intake kit. So while it's true that the FIPK kit will give you more potential for improving mpg than a drop-in K&N air filter element in the factory intake would, it's still not going to be anything like oh, say, a 2.0 mpg gain, for example.
The K&N FIPK kit is worth it's cost in terms of it's power gain, so I don't think that's a mistake at all. Now if you want the very *best*intake kit that will get you the highest power gains and use the highest quality materials, that would be the Air Force One intake system.
If you already have the K&N FIPK kit I wouldn't change it, as it will do a fine job. But if you haven't picked it up yet, then you might want to take a look at the Air Force One intake system instead.
You'll get higher power gains (15 HP on 4.6 & 17.9 HP on 5.4, for example), and the Air Force One is made of aircraft-grade & mirror-polished T304 stainless steel, and will look beautiful under your hood, no cheap black plastic. The AF1 uses the highest quality materials and is just about the same price as the KI&N FIPK kit.
You can see all the info on the Air Force One intake system over at our web site. It's located at www.TroyerPerformance.com - when the home page loads, click on "Shop," and then when you find the Intake section, just click on "List by Vehicle Type," so you don't have to wade thru all the GM & Mopar intakes, but instead can just see the Ford intakes.
I hope that info helps you a bit better, feel free to give us a call if you need any help with this, & best of luck whatever you decide!
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diablo sport all the way
ONLY THING IS
it doesn't kill govonor
help on how to kill govonor?
diablo sport is sweet
burn through 2nd gear baby!!!
no joke
