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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by freekyFX4
This is true until you start hauling or towing something. Then the V10 mileage drops (obviously) and the diesel drops from something worse than what many claim on the internet to something far, far worse than what many claim on the internet.
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by freekyFX4
This is true until you start hauling or towing something. Then the V10 mileage drops to below 10 MPG and the diesel barely changes mileage at all.
That can depend on the weight your towing along with gear set up. At 10K and over you are very correct.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Spike Engineering
Fix it for you.
Here comes the 'fun' factor
 
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pagnew
That can depend on the weight your towing along with gear set up. At 10K and over you are very correct.
Yes, the fun factor and the internet myth about ford diesels:

If you own a ford diesel, it'll get 16 mpg on the highway driving 70mph. And, if you're towing 13,600 lbs, you'll still get 16 mph on the highway!
(even if you're driving uphill, with a headwind, in the snow, with 4 or 6 flat tires...)

In reality, the only difference between a v10 and a diesel is this:
when you tow with a v10, the mileage goes down
when you tow with a diesel, the bulls*** spouted on the internet goes up.


BTW, I own a V10 and would rather have a diesel. But, I'm also realistic. Plus, I know a lot of ford diesel owners who tell the truth.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 01:13 PM
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I won't lie...I get about 13.5 MPG around town. When I towed a 12,000 lb trailer last month, it got about 12 MPG. The difference was very small. I have heard of people with the V10 getting 7 MPG when towing anything over 10,000 lbs. To each his own, I guess. I like the diesel F250 and others don't. That's why Ford makes them both ways.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by freekyFX4
I won't lie...I get about 13.5 MPG around town. When I towed a 12,000 lb trailer last month, it got about 12 MPG. The difference was very small. I have heard of people with the V10 getting 7 MPG when towing anything over 10,000 lbs. To each his own, I guess. I like the diesel F250 and others don't. That's why Ford makes them both ways.
That's realistic but a drop from 13.5 to 12 is still a drop of 11% in your mileage. But, the change is realistic. The MPG bulls*** I'm talking about is when someone states that they get 18 to 20 mpg and then claims that they get about the same when towing.

FWIW, my actual combined MPG over the last 3 months (about 375 miles per week) is 13.9886, which includes two weekends towing a tag trailer with race cars (about 7000 lbs loaded). On those weekends, my MPG, to and from the tracks, was 10.1.

What I've found most bizarre is that it takes about 4 tanks of fuel AFTER I towed and disconnected the trailer before my mileage returns to normal. In other words, after I tow, my MPG will be about 10.7 on the first tank, 11.7 on the next tank, 13.2 on the third, 14.1 on the fourth, even though I'm not towing anything. The computer is retarded or if you live in a politically correct world, it's a slow learner.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Spike Engineering
The computer is retarded or if you live in a politically correct world, it's a slow learner.
Lol:



I know my next truck will be a V10 F250, probably a 3 valver.

I know it's sacrilege, but the Dodge unlimited mile warranty and promise of a 1/2 ton diesel is alluring. Of course, this assumes that warranty applies to the diesel...

Please don't ban me...
 
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Spike Engineering
What I've found most bizarre is that it takes about 4 tanks of fuel AFTER I towed and disconnected the trailer before my mileage returns to normal. In other words, after I tow, my MPG will be about 10.7 on the first tank, 11.7 on the next tank, 13.2 on the third, 14.1 on the fourth, even though I'm not towing anything. The computer is retarded or if you live in a politically correct world, it's a slow learner.
This is because the computer takes a running average since the last time you reset the lie-o-meter. It just takes it a while for the current MPG to affect the average.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 05:42 PM
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Lol:



I know my next truck will be a V10 F250, probably a 3 valver.

I know it's sacrilege, but the Dodge unlimited mile warranty and promise of a 1/2 ton diesel is alluring. Of course, this assumes that warranty applies to the diesel...

Please don't ban me...
I have preferred Ford trucks over the GM and/or Dodge trucks and have owned many different ones over the years. Recently, a co-worker bought a new Dodge diesel 2500 and if I was buying a new truck to replace the F250 I currently have, I'd get a Dodge diesel over a Ford or Chevy diesel without question.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by freekyFX4
This is because the computer takes a running average since the last time you reset the lie-o-meter. It just takes it a while for the current MPG to affect the average.
I'm not referring to the computer on the console - that one is a joke but it impresses passengers who want to know the outside temperature, even if it's 5 degrees off.

The mileage I'm talking about is based on the actual mileage driven for that tank of gas/the amount of gas required to fill up the tank. Does the PCM adjust the A/F mixture based on the load and then take 4 tanks to readjust it? This isn't a one time occurrence. It happens every time after I tow the trailer.

FWIW, the overall MPG I mentioned in the same post is based on actual miles driven and logged divided by fuel used over the entire three months. It has nothing to do with the console's gonkulations.
 

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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Spike Engineering
I'm not referring to the computer on the console - that one is a joke but it impresses passengers who want to know the outside temperature, even if it's 5 degrees off.

The mileage I'm talking about is based on the actual mileage driven for that tank of gas/the amount of gas required to fill up the tank. Does the PCM adjust the A/F mixture based on the load and then take 4 tanks to readjust it? This isn't a one time occurrence. It happens every time after I tow the trailer.

FWIW, the overall MPG I mentioned in the same post is based on actual miles driven and logged divided by fuel used over the entire three months. It has nothing to do with the consoles gonkulations.
Then that really is strange!
 
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 09:22 AM
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Ahhh, I love the diesel BS, too. I still remember a few years back at birthday party where our friends relative was spouting about his Powerstroke. He works for Harley, and claimed he could get 22mpg dragging an enclosed trailer with twelve cycles inside and one in the bed of his rig. I called him on it, and then he got all offensive. I asked him how many miles he could get out of a tank, and he said "About 450 miles". He didn't like it when I told him he needed to learn how to do the math because he'd have to get at least 650 to be getting close to 22mpg - which wouldn't happen anyway.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Spike Engineering
Fix it for you.
Haha... Very true. My PSD pulls of 15 MPG average right now during the winter. Sometimes worse, sometimes better. My best MPG was 18.2 @ 72 MPH, 2000 RPM. That was with the front hubs locked too. Problem was, I was driving downhill from Flagstaff, AZ to Havazoooo, AZ. Best non road trip MPG was 17.5, with the front hubs unlocked finally. Haven't been able to tow any with my front hubs being unlocked finally, but I was pulling 15 MPG towing my boat.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Spike Engineering
I have preferred Ford trucks over the GM and/or Dodge trucks and have owned many different ones over the years. Recently, a co-worker bought a new Dodge diesel 2500 and if I was buying a new truck to replace the F250 I currently have, I'd get a Dodge diesel over a Ford or Chevy diesel without question.
The thing I like the most about those Cummins powered trucks is it's inline, which makes life about 10,000x easier to work on.

A couple of years ago, I helped my grandfather-in-law install an intake on his F550. Having built racecars from the ground up, I figured this couldn't be that bad and I could install it Sunday morning before the football game.

Wrong. Got done right around halftime...
 
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