My Truck meets Tundra (with pictures)
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Originally Posted by ManualF150
What is really funny is the mere fact that in the past few years, I have not seen any, and mind you I practically live on the road, and I swear I have never, EVER seen a Tundra tow anything more than a few pieces of 1/2" plywood in it's bed.
But let me bring this to a lighter side. The Tundra is fine if you want to have that heavy duty appearance, but not to use it as a heavy duty truck to rely on. Using it to haul small stuff, and have all that ground ripping power is great... treat it like you would a Lightning... or that new S331 Saleen F150... I sure in the heck hope you don't try towing a 10,000 lb boat with it.
End of rant...
But let me bring this to a lighter side. The Tundra is fine if you want to have that heavy duty appearance, but not to use it as a heavy duty truck to rely on. Using it to haul small stuff, and have all that ground ripping power is great... treat it like you would a Lightning... or that new S331 Saleen F150... I sure in the heck hope you don't try towing a 10,000 lb boat with it.
End of rant...
Last edited by MrSquirrel; Apr 15, 2007 at 02:45 AM.
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From: San Diego
Originally Posted by UberDude
getting from 0 to 60 in 6 seconds is fun. 
getting a consistant 18 mpg in the city is fun.
purposely parking next to dodge's and F-150's because i know my trucks bigger is fun..
so what if my payload capacity is a huge 100lbs less then the F-150 it replaced. the towing is 2,000lbs greater and im more confident in towing the max trailer weight. why? because this truck can actually get out of its own way..
and you wanna argue about fully boxed frames? then WHY are ALL 3/4 tons and 1 tons OPEN C CHANNEL?
Cheers!
getting a consistant 18 mpg in the city is fun.
purposely parking next to dodge's and F-150's because i know my trucks bigger is fun..
so what if my payload capacity is a huge 100lbs less then the F-150 it replaced. the towing is 2,000lbs greater and im more confident in towing the max trailer weight. why? because this truck can actually get out of its own way..
and you wanna argue about fully boxed frames? then WHY are ALL 3/4 tons and 1 tons OPEN C CHANNEL?
Cheers!
For starters, no one said going 0-60 wasn't fun. But, the Tundra is not a sport truck, nor is the current line of F150s. They are NOT built to be raced. Having the fastest truck is not what matters. Want to argue with me? I bet the pink slip to my truck (Which I bought cash, nothing owed) that Ford will absolutely destroy Toyota Tundra sales for this year. Guaranteed. And the next year, and the next...
Toyota went with a big engine and a 6 speed tranny because they wanted a sales point..."performance." Toyota knows, and the CEO even admitted publicly that American companies build full size trucks best. Toyota is just trying to appeal to the people who don't care about true durability, real strength, and tried and true technology.
Consistent 18mpg in the city? My God, can you possibly be more of a biased fanboy?
Straight off of Toyota's website, "
Regular Cab
4x2 Regular Cab
4x4
Mileage estimates (mpg city/highway) [7]
4.0L V6 17/20 -
4.7L V8 15/18 15/18
5.7L V8 16/20 14/18"
The 5.7 gets the worst mileage of the bunch, and even that falls short by 2 mpg city. You honestly expect us to believe that in real world conditions you "consistently" get 12.5% better mileage than the EPA ratings which are higher than the real world 99% of the time?
But, for *****s and giggles, let's say you're right. So now you've got that honkin' big, 0-60 in 6 second truck....but you don't even get on it? Because if you expect us to even attempt to believe your 18 mpg claim, you can't expect us to believe you actually use the 5.7 for what it's made for- going fast (right?)
Sorry, your story doesn't add up.
Then, you claim the Tundra has 2,000 more pounds towing capacity?
"5.7L V8 Long Bed 10,800" That's a single cab, long bed Tundra. Straight from Toyota.com.
From Ford, equivalent truck (Single cab, long bed 5.4) Tows " 11000 pounds"
Ok, first off, THAT is the towing comparison. In your rush to buy your Tundra you must have misread your pamphlet... that puts the Ford at 200 pounds HIGHER than the Tundra for TOWING.
As for Payload, straight from Ford.com "3060 pounds" for the same truck.
Now, back to Toyota, same truck, max payload? "5.7L V8 Long Bed 2065 pounds" Mind you, it also had a disclaimer mentioning that only applies with the "Max Payload Package."
You can thank Toyota's cheap little shocks that would be perfect direct replacements on a Honda civic for that, oh, and that frame...which brings me to my next point.
Why do 3/4 and 1-ton trucks etc have c-channel frames like the Tundra?
We've covered this topic before, but I'll recap for yuh. Larger trucks deal with much heavier loads, and with loads that 3/4 and 1 ton trucks pull (same with full blown semis) the weight causes the frame to twist. With such high stress levels the welds would break because they can not bend or flex.
On the contrary, A C-channel frame is NOT as strong (I believe it is 9 times weaker, in fact, than a comparable boxed frame
) and uses bolts. Your Tundra has bolts, not welds on the frame. Which have been proven to help with the flexing and twisting of the frame. But, when you factor in the drive train limitations of the 1/2 trucks, you will find that flexibility is NOT needed from a C-channel, and the only reason to use a c-channel over a boxed frame in a 1/2 ton is cost. Period. End of discussion. Toyota went c-channel for costs reasons- that's it. It's NOT better in this instance.
Ok, that's all. Continue on
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From: Ky/Va Mountains
Originally Posted by 02SuperCrew4X
It's got more HP than yours too Mr. V-10's-are-superior. 
Yea I know. That's a real shame too huh? Even Fords biggest gas engine can't compete. And I totally respect Toyota. I ant dissin em. I want one.
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From: Murray , Kentucky
Originally Posted by 04 RED LARIAT
Yea I know. That's a real shame too huh? Even Fords biggest gas engine can't compete. And I totally respect Toyota. I ant dissin em. I want one.
But I'd like to see some time slis froms the V10 myself!
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Tundra gets four out of 5 stars in frontal crash test!
Did I remember correctly in reading that the "New Tundra", only received 4out of 5 Stars in the Frontal crash Test? HHMMM, Let me see, If I remember reading correctly that FORD, not only got a full 5 Stars, in the frontal crash test, it even passed the frontal offset crash with flying colors also! HHMMM, safety is even more important to me, that a 0-60 time, try bragging about a 0-60 time if your in traction in some Hospital Bed, or worse yet, it will be hard for anyone to hear you braggin about your 0-60 time, from 6 feet under ground! HHMMM, you can keep your YOTA!
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Hey guys just a heads up, when we get defensive that exposes our weakneses.
I'll play offense
For an intro truck it's not to bad, but it is still in beta version. They had to create some numbers to enter the market. This is new territory for them so undoubetdly there will be some amature mistakes causing problems that will appear in the next couple years. The uncertainty of how sever these issues will be is kind of scary to me. How long has Ford been making vehicles and we still have recalls? Imagine if Ford had just started and the recalls and TSB's there would be. Yea Toyota gets to go through that over the next couple of decades.
Guess I'll just wait and see, maybe in 10-15 years if they are still building full size then I might step into one. But I need a 3/4 or 1 ton next, they dont make those yet so will be 10-15 years after they start making bigger trucks before I'd consider.
I'll play offense
For an intro truck it's not to bad, but it is still in beta version. They had to create some numbers to enter the market. This is new territory for them so undoubetdly there will be some amature mistakes causing problems that will appear in the next couple years. The uncertainty of how sever these issues will be is kind of scary to me. How long has Ford been making vehicles and we still have recalls? Imagine if Ford had just started and the recalls and TSB's there would be. Yea Toyota gets to go through that over the next couple of decades.
Guess I'll just wait and see, maybe in 10-15 years if they are still building full size then I might step into one. But I need a 3/4 or 1 ton next, they dont make those yet so will be 10-15 years after they start making bigger trucks before I'd consider.
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Originally Posted by Lumadar
Sigh....here we go.
For starters, no one said going 0-60 wasn't fun. But, the Tundra is not a sport truck, nor is the current line of F150s. They are NOT built to be raced. Having the fastest truck is not what matters. Want to argue with me? I bet the pink slip to my truck (Which I bought cash, nothing owed) that Ford will absolutely destroy Toyota Tundra sales for this year. Guaranteed. And the next year, and the next...
Toyota went with a big engine and a 6 speed tranny because they wanted a sales point..."performance." Toyota knows, and the CEO even admitted publicly that American companies build full size trucks best. Toyota is just trying to appeal to the people who don't care about true durability, real strength, and tried and true technology.
Consistent 18mpg in the city? My God, can you possibly be more of a biased fanboy?
Straight off of Toyota's website, "
Regular Cab
4x2 Regular Cab
4x4
Mileage estimates (mpg city/highway) [7]
4.0L V6 17/20 -
4.7L V8 15/18 15/18
5.7L V8 16/20 14/18"
The 5.7 gets the worst mileage of the bunch, and even that falls short by 2 mpg city. You honestly expect us to believe that in real world conditions you "consistently" get 12.5% better mileage than the EPA ratings which are higher than the real world 99% of the time?
But, for *****s and giggles, let's say you're right. So now you've got that honkin' big, 0-60 in 6 second truck....but you don't even get on it? Because if you expect us to even attempt to believe your 18 mpg claim, you can't expect us to believe you actually use the 5.7 for what it's made for- going fast (right?)
Sorry, your story doesn't add up.
Then, you claim the Tundra has 2,000 more pounds towing capacity?
"5.7L V8 Long Bed 10,800" That's a single cab, long bed Tundra. Straight from Toyota.com.
From Ford, equivalent truck (Single cab, long bed 5.4) Tows " 11000 pounds"
Ok, first off, THAT is the towing comparison. In your rush to buy your Tundra you must have misread your pamphlet... that puts the Ford at 200 pounds HIGHER than the Tundra for TOWING.
As for Payload, straight from Ford.com "3060 pounds" for the same truck.
Now, back to Toyota, same truck, max payload? "5.7L V8 Long Bed 2065 pounds" Mind you, it also had a disclaimer mentioning that only applies with the "Max Payload Package."
You can thank Toyota's cheap little shocks that would be perfect direct replacements on a Honda civic for that, oh, and that frame...which brings me to my next point.
Why do 3/4 and 1-ton trucks etc have c-channel frames like the Tundra?
We've covered this topic before, but I'll recap for yuh. Larger trucks deal with much heavier loads, and with loads that 3/4 and 1 ton trucks pull (same with full blown semis) the weight causes the frame to twist. With such high stress levels the welds would break because they can not bend or flex.
On the contrary, A C-channel frame is NOT as strong (I believe it is 9 times weaker, in fact, than a comparable boxed frame ) and uses bolts. Your Tundra has bolts, not welds on the frame. Which have been proven to help with the flexing and twisting of the frame.
But, when you factor in the drive train limitations of the 1/2 trucks, you will find that flexibility is NOT needed from a C-channel, and the only reason to use a c-channel over a boxed frame in a 1/2 ton is cost. Period. End of discussion. Toyota went c-channel for costs reasons- that's it. It's NOT better in this instance.
Ok, that's all. Continue on
For starters, no one said going 0-60 wasn't fun. But, the Tundra is not a sport truck, nor is the current line of F150s. They are NOT built to be raced. Having the fastest truck is not what matters. Want to argue with me? I bet the pink slip to my truck (Which I bought cash, nothing owed) that Ford will absolutely destroy Toyota Tundra sales for this year. Guaranteed. And the next year, and the next...
Toyota went with a big engine and a 6 speed tranny because they wanted a sales point..."performance." Toyota knows, and the CEO even admitted publicly that American companies build full size trucks best. Toyota is just trying to appeal to the people who don't care about true durability, real strength, and tried and true technology.
Consistent 18mpg in the city? My God, can you possibly be more of a biased fanboy?
Straight off of Toyota's website, "
Regular Cab
4x2 Regular Cab
4x4
Mileage estimates (mpg city/highway) [7]
4.0L V6 17/20 -
4.7L V8 15/18 15/18
5.7L V8 16/20 14/18"
The 5.7 gets the worst mileage of the bunch, and even that falls short by 2 mpg city. You honestly expect us to believe that in real world conditions you "consistently" get 12.5% better mileage than the EPA ratings which are higher than the real world 99% of the time?
But, for *****s and giggles, let's say you're right. So now you've got that honkin' big, 0-60 in 6 second truck....but you don't even get on it? Because if you expect us to even attempt to believe your 18 mpg claim, you can't expect us to believe you actually use the 5.7 for what it's made for- going fast (right?)
Sorry, your story doesn't add up.
Then, you claim the Tundra has 2,000 more pounds towing capacity?
"5.7L V8 Long Bed 10,800" That's a single cab, long bed Tundra. Straight from Toyota.com.
From Ford, equivalent truck (Single cab, long bed 5.4) Tows " 11000 pounds"
Ok, first off, THAT is the towing comparison. In your rush to buy your Tundra you must have misread your pamphlet... that puts the Ford at 200 pounds HIGHER than the Tundra for TOWING.
As for Payload, straight from Ford.com "3060 pounds" for the same truck.
Now, back to Toyota, same truck, max payload? "5.7L V8 Long Bed 2065 pounds" Mind you, it also had a disclaimer mentioning that only applies with the "Max Payload Package."
You can thank Toyota's cheap little shocks that would be perfect direct replacements on a Honda civic for that, oh, and that frame...which brings me to my next point.
Why do 3/4 and 1-ton trucks etc have c-channel frames like the Tundra?
We've covered this topic before, but I'll recap for yuh. Larger trucks deal with much heavier loads, and with loads that 3/4 and 1 ton trucks pull (same with full blown semis) the weight causes the frame to twist. With such high stress levels the welds would break because they can not bend or flex.
On the contrary, A C-channel frame is NOT as strong (I believe it is 9 times weaker, in fact, than a comparable boxed frame
) and uses bolts. Your Tundra has bolts, not welds on the frame. Which have been proven to help with the flexing and twisting of the frame. But, when you factor in the drive train limitations of the 1/2 trucks, you will find that flexibility is NOT needed from a C-channel, and the only reason to use a c-channel over a boxed frame in a 1/2 ton is cost. Period. End of discussion. Toyota went c-channel for costs reasons- that's it. It's NOT better in this instance.
Ok, that's all. Continue on
my old Scab F-150 to my new double cab tundra..
i can tow 10,600lbs with my Tundra..
i could only tow 8,600lbs with my F-150..
....
10.50'' rear diff TUNDRA
9.50'' rear diff F-150
4.30 Auto LSD rear deff gear set. TUNDRA
3.55 LSD rear deff gear set. F-150
2000 RPMS @ 75 mph Tundra
2000 RPMS @ 75mph F-150...
gee which has better towing power on take off?
having 6 gears is wheres its at..
BTW my F-150 NEVER SAW MORE THEN 17 MPG EVER..
and no jackass im not always getting on my truck..
but the fact that i can get on it now and then and still get 18 mpg in that same tank is impressive..
what else is impressive? 381hp and 401lbs/ft of torque.. into a 6 speed tranny into a 4.30 rear end..
guess what .. that 401lbs/ft of torque is made at 250 rpms less then the 5.4L Triton..
durability? hey time will tell.
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From: Off the Road, Alaska
Originally Posted by 02SuperCrew4X
Guess what? After ALLLLL that, it's STILL a Toyota Tundra. *snicker*
Who else names a truck after an African plain? Tundra!
Who else names a truck after an African plain? Tundra!
African?? Some of us in Alaska would beg to differ. A tundra is a treeless plain in arctic/subarctic regions. If I remember my geography, Africa is equatorial.
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From: Vernon, NY
Originally Posted by MrSquirrel
ya correct, the most ive ever seen a tundra tow has been a wave runner, and that was my neighbor (she is Asian) and when they needed to tow the bigger 27ft boat, they needed to use my dads F-150, oh and he should treat it like a lightning because i have seen more lightnings towing stuff than tundras, oh and why is this guy still even here, unless he didn't sell the F-150, but even though those power numbers are tempting, ill wait for a new F-150, there is only one thing uglier than a tundra...its the tacoma
Personally, I would be scared to have anything besides an American truck pulling anything over 3000 lbs.
Oh and those 0-60 times... what does that have to do about getting out of it's own way?! Like duh, ever see a tractor trailer try to get out of it's own way?! It doesn't and that's got gearing and an engine that's like 100X bigger than on all of our trucks. I don't see where you need 0-60 speed when you are towing... because you don't.
What's even better is that the fact I towed 6000 lbs with my F150 and it had no issues, and it really didn't affect it's acceleration much even with the V6. I think I set a baseline that my truck does 0-60 mph in about 12.5 seconds going full steam. I average about 30 seconds 0-60 mph normal highway driving. Which was the same with my 6k load.
Besides... I hope you are not flooring your trucks when you are towing.... you are just asking for problems.
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From: Little Rock, AR
Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
Hey guys just a heads up, when we get defensive that exposes our weakneses.
I'll play offense
For an intro truck it's not to bad, but it is still in beta version. They had to create some numbers to enter the market. This is new territory for them so undoubetdly there will be some amature mistakes causing problems that will appear in the next couple years. The uncertainty of how sever these issues will be is kind of scary to me. How long has Ford been making vehicles and we still have recalls? Imagine if Ford had just started and the recalls and TSB's there would be. Yea Toyota gets to go through that over the next couple of decades.
Guess I'll just wait and see, maybe in 10-15 years if they are still building full size then I might step into one. But I need a 3/4 or 1 ton next, they dont make those yet so will be 10-15 years after they start making bigger trucks before I'd consider.
I'll play offense
For an intro truck it's not to bad, but it is still in beta version. They had to create some numbers to enter the market. This is new territory for them so undoubetdly there will be some amature mistakes causing problems that will appear in the next couple years. The uncertainty of how sever these issues will be is kind of scary to me. How long has Ford been making vehicles and we still have recalls? Imagine if Ford had just started and the recalls and TSB's there would be. Yea Toyota gets to go through that over the next couple of decades.
Guess I'll just wait and see, maybe in 10-15 years if they are still building full size then I might step into one. But I need a 3/4 or 1 ton next, they dont make those yet so will be 10-15 years after they start making bigger trucks before I'd consider.
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From: Somewhere in the EU
Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
Hey guys just a heads up, when we get defensive that exposes our weakneses.
That was the most intelligent thing said on this thread. Reading some of these responses one can't help feel as if they were reading the rage one expresses when their daughter is raped or their dog is shot . . . (unless your daughter is really ugly, in which case that would cover both things in one).
Jesus Christ! It's a friggin' truck!
Look at every make, weigh all factors, find which best serves your needs, buy that one.
Carry on.
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From: San Diego
Originally Posted by kobiashi
Hey, Sun Tzu . . . is that you?
That was the most intelligent thing said on this thread. Reading some of these responses one can't help feel as if they were reading the rage one expresses when their daughter is raped or their dog is shot . . . (unless your daughter is really ugly, in which case that would cover both things in one).
Jesus Christ! It's a friggin' truck!
Look at every make, weigh all factors, find which best serves your needs, buy that one.
Carry on.
That was the most intelligent thing said on this thread. Reading some of these responses one can't help feel as if they were reading the rage one expresses when their daughter is raped or their dog is shot . . . (unless your daughter is really ugly, in which case that would cover both things in one).
Jesus Christ! It's a friggin' truck!
Look at every make, weigh all factors, find which best serves your needs, buy that one.
Carry on.
There is one HUGE flaw in your logic- if we don't say anything, what does that say?
You may be ok with being a gutless wuss that just sits back and lets people bash things you have pride in, but some of us stand up for what we believe in. I know it's rare in America these days, but some of us still exist.
If you want to come on a FORD F150 enthusiast site and try and trash talk the F150 and NOT expect people to reply, well then I think you're confused.
If we joined a Tundra forum and started bashing the Tundra I GUARANTEE they would get "defensive" as you call it too. It proves nothing.
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2 things to say.
1: Lumadar burned you badly.
2: no matter how many tundra is better than f150 articles i read, nothing and i mean NOTHING will ever make them matter when you go and read the sales chart. i dont care if fords sales are dropping, its going to take a lot and a lot of dropping to get as low as tundra sales are.
March 2007 Pickup Truck Sales:
Top 10 Pickups
Sales Figures
Year-to-Date (YTD) Mar-2007
Ford F-Series
171,651 -14.1% YTD
March 2007: 71,481
March 2006: 84,168
Chevrolet Silverado
152,715 +5.1% YTD
March 2007: 55,626
March 2006: 60,833
Dodge Ram
67,163 -1.0% YTD
February 2007: 38,301
February 2006: 38,709
GMC Sierra
47,790 +3.8% YTD
March 2007: 16,503
March 2006: 19,435
Toyota Tacoma
46,328 +7.9% YTD
March 2007: 18,243
March 2006: 15,662
Toyota Tundra
29,186 -10.7% YTD
March 2007: 13,196 <--- LOL
March 2006: 11,800
Chevrolet Colorado
19,769 +3.0% YTD
March 2007: 7,685
March 2006: 8,355
Nissan Titan
18,847 -13.7% YTD
March 2007: 7,563
March 2006: 8,328
Ford Ranger
18,491 -17.4% YTD
March 2007: 7,989
March 2006: 9,809
Nissan Frontier
17,210 -15.4% YTD
March 2007: 7,254
March 2006: 8,433
1: Lumadar burned you badly.
2: no matter how many tundra is better than f150 articles i read, nothing and i mean NOTHING will ever make them matter when you go and read the sales chart. i dont care if fords sales are dropping, its going to take a lot and a lot of dropping to get as low as tundra sales are.
March 2007 Pickup Truck Sales:
Top 10 Pickups
Sales Figures
Year-to-Date (YTD) Mar-2007
Ford F-Series
171,651 -14.1% YTD
March 2007: 71,481
March 2006: 84,168
Chevrolet Silverado
152,715 +5.1% YTD
March 2007: 55,626
March 2006: 60,833
Dodge Ram
67,163 -1.0% YTD
February 2007: 38,301
February 2006: 38,709
GMC Sierra
47,790 +3.8% YTD
March 2007: 16,503
March 2006: 19,435
Toyota Tacoma
46,328 +7.9% YTD
March 2007: 18,243
March 2006: 15,662
Toyota Tundra
29,186 -10.7% YTD
March 2007: 13,196 <--- LOL
March 2006: 11,800
Chevrolet Colorado
19,769 +3.0% YTD
March 2007: 7,685
March 2006: 8,355
Nissan Titan
18,847 -13.7% YTD
March 2007: 7,563
March 2006: 8,328
Ford Ranger
18,491 -17.4% YTD
March 2007: 7,989
March 2006: 9,809
Nissan Frontier
17,210 -15.4% YTD
March 2007: 7,254
March 2006: 8,433