2009 - 2014 F-150

2012 F-150 5.0 Rough Idle Upon Start up

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 7, 2012 | 09:32 PM
  #1  
jonbar87's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 115
Likes: 0
**Resolved** 2012 F-150 5.0 Rough Idle Upon Start up **Resolved**

I've searched and found very little one this issue. Is anyone else having this problem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU8el...ature=youtu.be

Whenever I first start my 2012 F-150 with the 5.0, it idles rough and if I step on the gas it acts like either an injector is cutting in and out or it's missing. It doesn't really seem like a miss though, more like an injector/fuel issue. I have no idea what it could be. If I let it sit and idle it won't go away unless I step on the gas and get it > 2500rpm or so. Thoughts?

**The problem/fix**

Well I figured it out for real this time, thanks to Mike at 5startuning. He mentioned how Ford has different cold start tables, and the first one the ECU looks at on cold start is one where ignition timing is retarded....yes, retarded! So I hooked my phone up to the OBD2 port and sure enough, when I first start it, the ECU retards ignition timing 9 degrees! No WONDER it'll barely run!! What a stupid move by Ford. Check it out for yourself....



I've already ordered 3 tunes from Mike where he has changed the cold start timing from a negative value to 20*. I'm certain this will fix the issue.

Basically, the reason it idles rough at start is because of the retarded timing that is supposed to decrease the time it takes for the cats to warm up.
 

Last edited by jonbar87; Aug 13, 2012 at 09:11 PM. Reason: Fixed Issue
Reply
Old May 8, 2012 | 05:43 PM
  #2  
jonbar87's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 115
Likes: 0
Am I really the only one having this issue...?
 
Reply
Old May 8, 2012 | 05:54 PM
  #3  
Bluejay's Avatar
Global Moderator &
Senior Member
20 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 26,080
Likes: 85
From: Burleson/Athens/Brownsboro, TX
Only time I've seen it.
 
Reply
Old May 8, 2012 | 06:35 PM
  #4  
f150fella08's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,637
Likes: 2
From: Pittsburg, Texas
shouldnt you take it back to the dealer?
 
Reply
Old May 8, 2012 | 07:43 PM
  #5  
M.YANCEY's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
From: Goldsboro NC
My 12' 5.0 is slick as glass at start and at running temp??
 
Reply
Old May 8, 2012 | 07:55 PM
  #6  
nascar99ford's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 146
Likes: 0
From: Lagrange, Georgia
My 2011 has a slight rough idle at start. I normally smoothes out after a minute or two. If you stop at a traffic light you can watch the tach jump a little bit but you can't feel it at normal operating temp.

Does your's surge a little under load when you start going up a hill while it's trying to hold 6th gear. I assume it's something to do with the VVT and I guess it's normal?
 
Reply
Old May 9, 2012 | 12:10 AM
  #7  
jonbar87's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 115
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by nascar99ford
My 2011 has a slight rough idle at start. I normally smoothes out after a minute or two. If you stop at a traffic light you can watch the tach jump a little bit but you can't feel it at normal operating temp.

Does your's surge a little under load when you start going up a hill while it's trying to hold 6th gear. I assume it's something to do with the VVT and I guess it's normal?
No, once it's running smooth, it runs great. It's only at start-up. I have to rev it up a little to get it to smooth out. It doesn't surge at all under load, just when I start it up it does this.
 
Reply

Trending Topics

Old May 10, 2012 | 12:31 AM
  #8  
willyb.311's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
I am having the exact same problem. My truck is about 2 months old and has 1700 miles and today its was really acting up. If I'm in a hurry and throw it in gear, it just stutters really bad and won't hardly move for a few seconds. It feels exactly like its missing but then after a few seconds, it levels out and runs great. Its such a weird problem.
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2012 | 10:18 AM
  #9  
benzo911's Avatar
Member
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
From: Spokane
Sounds like it needs to go back to the dealer. My 2012 starts just fine
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2012 | 10:40 AM
  #10  
88racing's Avatar
Technical Article Contributor
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,697
Likes: 14
From: In the fast lane from LA to Tokyo...
Originally Posted by benzo911
Sounds like it needs to go back to the dealer. My 2012 starts just fine
x2!!!
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2012 | 06:21 PM
  #11  
jonbar87's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 115
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by 88racing
x2!!!
It's not that it doesn't start, it starts, it just runs rough AFTER it starts. Next time yours starts, let the oil pressure build up, then step on the gas and bring it up to around 2000 rpm and let me know if it bogs down and makes a weird noise...it's almost like it's hitting a rev limiter/fuel cut...it's so odd.
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2012 | 06:30 PM
  #12  
88racing's Avatar
Technical Article Contributor
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,697
Likes: 14
From: In the fast lane from LA to Tokyo...
Originally Posted by jonbar87
It's not that it doesn't start, it starts, it just runs rough AFTER it starts. Next time yours starts, let the oil pressure build up, then step on the gas and bring it up to around 2000 rpm and let me know if it bogs down and makes a weird noise...it's almost like it's hitting a rev limiter/fuel cut...it's so odd.
That's why I agreed with benzo911....

It's a new truck and shouldn't be acting like that...

It's under warranty...take it to the dealer and let them diagnose the issue...in my experience it doesn't sound right...

there's a handful of things that can be causing this and its best to let the dealer figure it out...IMO
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2012 | 06:49 PM
  #13  
Chuck W.'s Avatar
Member
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
From: Troy, PA
I've had an FX4 5.0 for about 16 months now. Baby purrs like a kitten. No rough idle here.
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2012 | 10:44 PM
  #14  
jonbar87's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 115
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by 88racing
That's why I agreed with benzo911....

It's a new truck and shouldn't be acting like that...

It's under warranty...take it to the dealer and let them diagnose the issue...in my experience it doesn't sound right...

there's a handful of things that can be causing this and its best to let the dealer figure it out...IMO
I agree. I took it to the dealer today. They'll check it out in the morning when it's cold (since that's the only time it does it) and then let me know what they find.
 
Reply
Old May 11, 2012 | 09:28 AM
  #15  
afsilverfox52's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
My FX4 has on a few occasions felt like the engine was missing when I first put it into gear. After about 30 seconds it smooths out. Only 1400 miles on it. It is going back to shop next week so it can be checked out
 
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:38 AM.