Startup Rattle (a thought)
#1
Startup Rattle (a thought)
DISCLAIMER: ASSUMING THE START UP RATTLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CAM PHASER, INCORRECT OIL, OR OIL FILTER
have ran motorcraft 5W20 and motorcraft filter since mile 1. Anyway:
has anyone thought about or have used products such as Zmax, lucas oil stabalizer, engine honey, etc... to keep more oil attached to parts while it sits? I know Zmax is supposed to soak into the metal to prevent dry starts. But might also be snake oil since I've never used it.
Was just thinking bout and wanted some oppinions.
have ran motorcraft 5W20 and motorcraft filter since mile 1. Anyway:
has anyone thought about or have used products such as Zmax, lucas oil stabalizer, engine honey, etc... to keep more oil attached to parts while it sits? I know Zmax is supposed to soak into the metal to prevent dry starts. But might also be snake oil since I've never used it.
Was just thinking bout and wanted some oppinions.
#2
Originally Posted by Jolly_Green_Giant
DISCLAIMER: ASSUMING THE START UP RATTLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CAM PHASER, INCORRECT OIL, OR OIL FILTER
have ran motorcraft 5W20 and motorcraft filter since mile 1. Anyway:
has anyone thought about or have used products such as Zmax, lucas oil stabalizer, engine honey, etc... to keep more oil attached to parts while it sits? I know Zmax is supposed to soak into the metal to prevent dry starts. But might also be snake oil since I've never used it.
Was just thinking bout and wanted some oppinions.
have ran motorcraft 5W20 and motorcraft filter since mile 1. Anyway:
has anyone thought about or have used products such as Zmax, lucas oil stabalizer, engine honey, etc... to keep more oil attached to parts while it sits? I know Zmax is supposed to soak into the metal to prevent dry starts. But might also be snake oil since I've never used it.
Was just thinking bout and wanted some oppinions.
#3
Originally Posted by Jolly_Green_Giant
DISCLAIMER: ASSUMING THE START UP RATTLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CAM PHASER, INCORRECT OIL, OR OIL FILTER
have ran motorcraft 5W20 and motorcraft filter since mile 1. Anyway:
has anyone thought about or have used products such as Zmax, lucas oil stabalizer, engine honey, etc... to keep more oil attached to parts while it sits? I know Zmax is supposed to soak into the metal to prevent dry starts. But might also be snake oil since I've never used it.
Was just thinking bout and wanted some oppinions.
have ran motorcraft 5W20 and motorcraft filter since mile 1. Anyway:
has anyone thought about or have used products such as Zmax, lucas oil stabalizer, engine honey, etc... to keep more oil attached to parts while it sits? I know Zmax is supposed to soak into the metal to prevent dry starts. But might also be snake oil since I've never used it.
Was just thinking bout and wanted some oppinions.
I started a thread a while back and if i recall we have the same problem. After the truck sets over night there is a startup rattle the next morning. The longer it sits the longer the rattle is. I've yet to take mine to the dealer but do plan on inquiring about it. My last post nobody ever really came out and said what was the clear cut problem, and i think you said you took it and it was "normal" by the dealership.
Anyhoo if you try something like that let me know if it works
#5
Originally Posted by BtownFord
Jolly,
I started a thread a while back and if i recall we have the same problem. After the truck sets over night there is a startup rattle the next morning. The longer it sits the longer the rattle is. I've yet to take mine to the dealer but do plan on inquiring about it. My last post nobody ever really came out and said what was the clear cut problem, and i think you said you took it and it was "normal" by the dealership.
Anyhoo if you try something like that let me know if it works
I started a thread a while back and if i recall we have the same problem. After the truck sets over night there is a startup rattle the next morning. The longer it sits the longer the rattle is. I've yet to take mine to the dealer but do plan on inquiring about it. My last post nobody ever really came out and said what was the clear cut problem, and i think you said you took it and it was "normal" by the dealership.
Anyhoo if you try something like that let me know if it works
Yeah, I took mine in twice while it was under waranty and was told both times that it was normal. But sure sounds like a dry start and can't be good.
been watching threads like this for a while and was just thinking I hadn't seen anything about products like zmax that are supposed to prevent or at least help dry startup. Thought someone might have tried it.
Last edited by Jolly_Green_Giant; 11-01-2007 at 08:35 PM.
#7
Originally Posted by Tuff4rd
Is the rattle you guys are talking about last for a few seconds then goes away? I have that type sound rattle/tick sound on cold start ups. I have a 5.4L
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#9
Originally Posted by Jolly_Green_Giant
Yeah, I took mine in twice while it was under waranty and was told both times that it was normal. But sure sounds like a dry start and can't be good.
been watching threads like this for a while and was just thinking I hadn't seen anything about products like zmax that are supposed to prevent or at least help dry startup. Thought someone might have tried it.
been watching threads like this for a while and was just thinking I hadn't seen anything about products like zmax that are supposed to prevent or at least help dry startup. Thought someone might have tried it.
If a lifter bleeds down it will rattle. that doesn't mean a problem or dry start up. it is just the lifter pumping back up. no harm no foul.
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if the lifter bleeds down you temporarily lose compression. Aren't they operated on springs and the cam is what compresses the spring, or am I confused. If it was the way I'm thinking it is, the spring should not allow it to "bleed" down.
I would never put money on this knowledge so enlighten me if I'm off a little.
I would never put money on this knowledge so enlighten me if I'm off a little.
Last edited by Josiah; 11-01-2007 at 11:51 PM.
#12
I have the same start-up rattle, and I've heard/read MANY times that it's the chain tensioner. The chain tensioner maintains tension by oil pressure. Once the vehicle has sat for several hours, the pressure decreases. It takes a second or so for it to rebuild pressure and tighten the chain.
#13
Same annoying rattle here!!!!!!
My 04 F150 4.6 had a rattle at start up with 30,000. Ford replaced the heads and it went away...............for 10,000 miles or so. Now at 44,000+ its back and its worse. It even rattles a bit right after I start it and take off down the road, as I lift off of the gas approaching a stop sign or red light it rattles some. Usually a mile or so down the road it quits. Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks
Thanks
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