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Matt 05'FX4 Oct 22, 2005 10:23 AM

Getting the LT handle's keypad to work on a non-keypad truck.......
 
I remember this was discussed a while back here and there but I never remember a definite answer. I had installed some LT handles on my grandfather's truck (05' XLT) about 2 months ago and he did not have a factory keypad but the harness was there in the door so I connected it when I installed it. He never cared about it working untill now, he said he thinks it would be nice to have it working since he's got it. He went to the Ford dealer and said that I put that keypad on there and wanted it activated and they all looked at him like :confused: . So he want's to know what exactly he needs to tell them for them to know what to do, a little more specific information on what control module to go into and where to go from there. I know it was something to do with either a BCM or VSM.......Thanks!

KCSport Oct 22, 2005 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Matt 05'FX4
He went to the Ford dealer and said that I put that keypad on there and wanted it activated and they all looked at him like :confused: .

Tell your Grandfather not to feel so bad, I got the same reply from 3 Dealerships here in town. After the third one, I gave up.

asinatra Oct 22, 2005 01:46 PM

There should of been a card with the owners manual telling you the code (even w/o the factory installed keypad)

ChrisAdams Oct 22, 2005 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by asinatra
There should of been a card with the owners manual telling you the code (even w/o the factory installed keypad)

Hi Asinatra, that's not what people are running into.
The dealerships mostly still don't know about the PCM and changing things like adding cruise, changing the IP.
Total blank looks when you want to get a reflash or change any of the options.

Heck, at most dealerships, the service writers are still telling people that there is a servo under the hood for cruise.

Misiformation is common.
For example, the local shop says it is a felony to change any PCM setting, for any reason.

The guys in parts know it's not true, but the head of service won't let them talk back and forth.
Each dealership is its own little fiefdom.
And a lot of the guys who got into auto work hate and fear computers. Just ask them. 90% of mechanics can not use a VOM. So you sure can not expect them to understand the PCM.

Look at the shop manual. Everything is done by the numbers, no understanding is needed.
McDonalds type training...
The ones that actually are interested in understanding the job are few and far between.
Chris

KCSport Oct 22, 2005 07:47 PM

Well said Chris.

Matt 05'FX4 Oct 22, 2005 08:52 PM

Yeah, he has the card with his code on it.........but the keypad is not "active", meaning that the lights don't work and the buttons do nothing. The truck isn't coded to have a keypad so it doesn't send power or recieve any signals from it when it is plugged in. This crap is so simple at work, we go in the computer, go into "version coding" and change the options it has and hit "adopt values" and it is done.....I just don't know what Ford uses to change their coding for various settings.

mkinttrim Oct 22, 2005 09:15 PM

According to the factory manual;
REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY PAD CODE PROGRAMMING


1 Enter the permanent factory remote keyless (RKE) keypad code

2 Press the 1 / 2 button within 5 seconds to activate progamming mode. Holding the 1 / 2 button for more than 2 Seconds after activation erases the stored customer code. The door locks lock, then unlock,confirming the code is erased. The existing code does not need to be erased to program a new code.

3 Within 5 seconds enter the new 5 digit RKE keypad code. The door locks lock and unlock to confirm a new code is programmed.

Hope this helps!

KCSport Oct 22, 2005 09:18 PM

I believe that only works for progamming a new code in the system.

mkinttrim Oct 22, 2005 09:33 PM

Again from the factory workshop manual

Each vehicle equipped with a RKE keypad is programmed with a 5 digit code. This code is provided to the customer thru a wallet card in the owner literature package. In addition this code is available through a dignostic tool and is aslo printed on the vehicle security module label. When entering codes each digit must be entered within 5 seconds of the privious digit. The keypad is disabled after 35 button presses...........

It also says to check the Cental Junction Box (fuses)-18 (10amp)-107(30amp)

KCSport Oct 23, 2005 12:17 AM

I have taken this to 3 different dealerships for help. None were able to get it to work. One even hooked some hand held device up to something under the dash and still couldn't get it work. This is not something we will get working just by pushing buttons, no matter what the factory workshop manual says. If it was something that easy, I would hope one of the shops I stopped at would have gotten it working by now.

mkinttrim Oct 24, 2005 01:19 AM

Please let me know if you ever get this figured out as I would like to do this Mod and I only have the actual key hole. I would either have to buy the handle with the key pad or the one without and hope that the batteries don't die in my keyless remote.

gchuff Oct 24, 2005 01:04 PM

The "Vehicle Security Module" (VSM) must be reprogrammed for the
keypad to work. This module is located behind the rear seat backrest on
Screws and Scabs, and behind the left rear trim panel on reg. cabs.
The dealership that I took mine to had to act like they were replacing
the module with a new one. The tech. called the hotline to get the correct
codes to program into the module. Make sure that you get a copy of the
"Hex Codes" for future reference, because the factory "As Built" data will
change the module back if it ever needs replaced. :thumbsup:

KCSport Oct 24, 2005 11:15 PM

Mine has a Black box with Body Security Module on it. Same thing?

rltripp Nov 29, 2005 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by gchuff
The "Vehicle Security Module" (VSM) must be reprogrammed for the
keypad to work. This module is located behind the rear seat backrest on
Screws and Scabs, and behind the left rear trim panel on reg. cabs.
The dealership that I took mine to had to act like they were replacing
the module with a new one. The tech. called the hotline to get the correct
codes to program into the module. Make sure that you get a copy of the
"Hex Codes" for future reference, because the factory "As Built" data will
change the module back if it ever needs replaced. :thumbsup:

Time to resurect this one....I went to 3 dealerships today and told them all what is above and all I got was a blank stare. This is after my wife called me at work in tears. She wanted to suprise me and buy me some LT handles for Christmas, but when she went to order them, the "old, fat, bald bast@#$ behind the desk" told her that it couldn't be done and made her cry (she's almost 8 months pregnant). Anyway, to get back on track, does anyone have detailed step by step instuctions that I could give to the rocks in the service department so make the keypad work? thanks in advance

Matt 05'FX4 Nov 29, 2005 07:05 PM

My grandfather ended up getting his done and I'm not quite sure what they did but he tried to explain it to me the best he knew. He said that they had to call the big man at Ford (I'm guessing the tech info line) and they told them to get the info they needed from a truck on the lot that HAD a keypad and upload that info to his truck. Supposedly they did this and now his work. Sorry that's all I know and it sounds kinda wierd to me....I don't understand why they can't just change the existing coding instead of having to use a whole other truck but I hope this helps!


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