All kinds of issues - P2196, Backfire, Trouble Starting.......
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All kinds of issues - P2196, Backfire, Trouble Starting.......
I have an '05 FX4 5.4L with 85,000 miles.
I bought it used a few months and have only put 10,000 miles on it myself.
I made the following upgrades:
- Banks intake
- High flow cats, 2.5" pipe, X-Pipe, two magnaflow mufflers
- I have a custom tune for the gryphon. The tune was created when I installed the intake but BEFORE I installed the new exhaust.
I drove the truck yesterday with no problems. I get in it this morning and start it up. It started but had the feeling like it was about to die. I let it sit and idle so it could warm up. I decided to drive the 10 miles it takes to get to work. During the drive the I noticed the following:
- Trouble code P2196
O2 sensor signal biased/stuck rich - bank 1/sensor 1
- Violent shaking if the RPM's fell below 2000
- When standing still it was idling rough and felt like it was about to die
- On the way home the exhaust backfired
- Once home I noticed white/gray smoke coming from the exhaust
I got to work and looked up some things online. While I was reading I came across a list of things that could possibly cause the problem. I thought these two were the most likely.
1. Fuel rail pressure regulator?
2. Injectors sticking open and causing the engine to flood with fuel?
I was too stressed about the truck to get any work done so I decided to come home. When I tried to crank it, it took 5 tries before it would turn over which lead me to believe it might have been flooded.
I ran a data stream and came up with the graph below.
I also observed the display and wrote down some of the readings I was getting.
Variable CAM Timing - at idle 0 and -1. While moving 49, 50, 0, 15, 1, -0, 5, 40, 43
Spark Advance - 2, 28, 30, 46
Actual Fuel Rail Pressure - 38.8, 39.1, 39.3
Transmission line pressure - 134, 88, 118, 114, 122
MAF Voltage - .94, 1.17, 1.09, 2.34
Thanks for helping me diagnose this.
I bought it used a few months and have only put 10,000 miles on it myself.
I made the following upgrades:
- Banks intake
- High flow cats, 2.5" pipe, X-Pipe, two magnaflow mufflers
- I have a custom tune for the gryphon. The tune was created when I installed the intake but BEFORE I installed the new exhaust.
I drove the truck yesterday with no problems. I get in it this morning and start it up. It started but had the feeling like it was about to die. I let it sit and idle so it could warm up. I decided to drive the 10 miles it takes to get to work. During the drive the I noticed the following:
- Trouble code P2196
O2 sensor signal biased/stuck rich - bank 1/sensor 1
- Violent shaking if the RPM's fell below 2000
- When standing still it was idling rough and felt like it was about to die
- On the way home the exhaust backfired
- Once home I noticed white/gray smoke coming from the exhaust
I got to work and looked up some things online. While I was reading I came across a list of things that could possibly cause the problem. I thought these two were the most likely.
1. Fuel rail pressure regulator?
2. Injectors sticking open and causing the engine to flood with fuel?
I was too stressed about the truck to get any work done so I decided to come home. When I tried to crank it, it took 5 tries before it would turn over which lead me to believe it might have been flooded.
I ran a data stream and came up with the graph below.
I also observed the display and wrote down some of the readings I was getting.
Variable CAM Timing - at idle 0 and -1. While moving 49, 50, 0, 15, 1, -0, 5, 40, 43
Spark Advance - 2, 28, 30, 46
Actual Fuel Rail Pressure - 38.8, 39.1, 39.3
Transmission line pressure - 134, 88, 118, 114, 122
MAF Voltage - .94, 1.17, 1.09, 2.34
Thanks for helping me diagnose this.
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I can't really be of much help in diagnosing your problem, but the above caught my attention. Have you heard of the injector problems on the 05's? Check out this thread: https://www.f150online.com/forums/20...-warranty.html
Might be of some interest to you.
Good luck!
- NCSU
Might be of some interest to you.
Good luck!
- NCSU
Last edited by NCSU_05_FX4; 11-24-2009 at 04:56 PM.
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I heard about it when I was doing some online diagnosing today. It is the ford customer satisfaction program 07m08. Thanks for the heads up though
I have a set of injectors sitting in my garage. The stock injectors are 24 pound and these injectors are ford 28 pound injectors. If it is the injectors I suppose I could swap them with the 28's but I was concerned that the 28's would cause the truck to run rich and pretty much do the same thing its doing now.
Thanks again for the reply.
I have a set of injectors sitting in my garage. The stock injectors are 24 pound and these injectors are ford 28 pound injectors. If it is the injectors I suppose I could swap them with the 28's but I was concerned that the 28's would cause the truck to run rich and pretty much do the same thing its doing now.
Thanks again for the reply.
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With the injectors would it be a problem to install the 28 pound injectors temporarily to determine if they were the problem? If I determine that the injectors are the cause I would have no problem getting them replaced back with another set of 24's.
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Thanks. It will be sitting in the drive until there is a solution to the problem. Fortunately we have a spare car and it can be driven until the truck is fixed.
With the injectors would it be a problem to install the 28 pound injectors temporarily to determine if they were the problem? If I determine that the injectors are the cause I would have no problem getting them replaced back with another set of 24's.
With the injectors would it be a problem to install the 28 pound injectors temporarily to determine if they were the problem? If I determine that the injectors are the cause I would have no problem getting them replaced back with another set of 24's.
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The 28lb injectors will be fine without a new tune for the purpose of trouble shooting this issue especially considering at least you can then run the motor with the confidence that you won't hydro-lock it during your debug. The fact that you only have the code on back 1 tells me that it is highly likely that it is an injector, COP, or plug on that side. Good luck
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The 28lb injectors will be fine without a new tune for the purpose of trouble shooting this issue especially considering at least you can then run the motor with the confidence that you won't hydro-lock it during your debug. The fact that you only have the code on back 1 tells me that it is highly likely that it is an injector, COP, or plug on that side. Good luck