I respect(and agree with) many of the topics you discuss on this website except for this one. I have to agree with Chris on this subject. There is no way your truck will beat a chevy 5.3 liter engine in its present condition. First of all, I am a dedicated Ford man. Always was, Always will be. My truck is very similar to yours except it is not a supercab (weighs less than yours) and it couldn't beat a Chevy 5.3 liter on its best day. You basically have a stock truck with a K & N air filter. K & N air filters are excellent buy they only go so far. If you would have said you already added a superchip, airbox mods, and a flowmaster exhaust, I would believe you would have a chance at beating a 5.3 liter Chevy. Along with that you don't exactly have the desired rear differential for racing (3:55).
I also think it is unfair to put Dantheman in the same sentence with Chris's. We should be able to accept constructive arguments as Chris presents. If you drag raced this 5.3 liter, something went wrong. Either you jumped the start, or he took his foot out of the gas (or was running on 7 cylinders). My friend, I just don't believe your claim.
Jeepers guys, we're starting to throw rocks at each other again, which I think is a little counterproductive.
I am one of a group of Lightning owners that are trying to establish base line as well as modified dyno verified results for real time/real life horsepower and torque ratings. This is an ad hoc group, with no real organization, just guys trying to figure out what we have in a real life environment.
In my case, today, I dyno'd my 99.5 in much less than ideal temperature conditions and came up with 304.7 horsepower at the rear wheels totally stock and 328.9 horsepower with a Superchip flip chip with no learning time, back to back.
As I am no longer an avid drag racer, I may never take the truck to the track, but this gives me a good look at what my particular vehicle delivers as opposed to what is advertised. I believe a stock Lightning should deliver 288 horsepower on a dyno based on the advertised flywheel horsepower less approx 20% for friction (automatic trans, diff and so on).
I can then factor in the weight of the truck, axle ratio and so on to develop a performance profile based on ideal conditions. That leaves out driver skill and so on.
Without trying to start yet another argument, the postings I have seen on several make boards "seem" to indicate that Ford is in many cases very conservative in horsepower ratings they post in their literature versus the actual dyno readings. Certainly the case with my Lightning.
I don't want to belabor the point, but in a real world situation, my stock Lightning darn near lost a race to a mildly modified Jeep Grand Cherokee with the big V-8 simply because I was asleep at the start. I was a loser up to about 40-50 mph until I really pulled the plug.
As such, I am sure a good Chevrolet driver could beat a so-so Ford driver all day long with a reasonably comparable motor/trans/chassis combination. And, the other way around.
PS: I also own three Chevs and two other Ford trucks, so I have no prejudice at all!
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Bill Murray
60 going on 17 w/my:
99.5 White Lightning
Summit Racing Decal
G-Tech Performance Meter. Superchip by 07/31
My post was not intended to offend anyone, but it ruffles my feathers when I see guys bash the competition because they have something good. "fisher price interiors"? Come on. I based my post from real life experience. I've driven them all. Quite honestly, I liked them all, but I'm a Ford man at heart. Think about this, how many times on this forum have guys said they would like better mileage? I know from experience that the chevies (INCLUDING the 5.3) are getting DAMN good mileage. Even in the 4x4 applications. So does this make them a bad truck? Certainly not. Right now they are first to market with a series of small, powerful, AND fuel efficient powerplants. BTW, the usable rpm thing was not an issue when I drove the Chevys. Although my truck is a 96 5.0, 4wd, it's averaging about 14 mpg. My brothers 4.8 chevy 4x4 consistantly averages OVER 20mph. To add insult to injury that truck can blow my doors off! When Ford follows suit I'll buy a new one.
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96 F 150 SC 4x4, 5.0, All Black, Custom Cat Back 3 Chamber Flowmaster with dual outs and 3.5" tips, Superchip.
Here's a little "old" vs "new" comparison to go with Chris' old vs new contest:
I have a '93 F150 reg. cab 2WD w/5.0 3.55 gears. I also have a '97 Expedition 4x4 w/4.6L 3.55 gears. The Expedition will accelerate from a stop dead-even with my truck (both are superchipped) and it will OUT RUN it from 40-70mph. The Expedition gets about 18 mpg whereas my truck gets 13mpg.
Considering the weight and drivetrain differential, I'm absolutely positive that ANY truck w/4.6L could toast my old (only 66k miles) '93 in both power and mileage. I'd almost bet that the V-6s would even win.
They just don't build them like they used to-- Thank God.
Neal
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1997 4x4 Expedition- 4.6L, true dual exhaust w/glass-packs, K&N air filter, SuperChip, airbox mods, Edelbrock shocks, 285/75R16 BFG ATs, Optima "T-Bone" wheels, and Clarion In-dash CD player: http://members.visualcities.com/NoMo
reading a truck trends magazine last night, spec'd out changes for ford, chrysler,gm, trucks for year 2000 models, gm trucks engines listed as "no changes"
Let me tell you something...I can keep up with a 5.3, sorry, I cant beat one, but I can keep a car length to half a length on him. Afterall, I can run 0-60 in 8.1 seconds! While a 5.3 can run 7.8 {+or- .1}
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1999 Ford F150 XLT Supercab, Shortbed, 4x2, 4 wheel disc brakes/4 wheel Anti-Lock Brakes, Cloth Seats, Amazon green, 16" All season tires, Soft Tonneau Cover, CD Player, 4.6 liter Triton V8, 3:55 ls, towing package, 4 speed auto, K&N Airfilter Future Mods:
1)Superchip
2)Airbox Mod
3)Flowmaster Exhaust
Estimated Quarter Mile Time by the use of a calculator and websites:
ET: 16.7 Trap Speed: 83-84mph
Drag race?
Lets talk about the pulling power.
345lb torque for 5.4 FORD
no V8 chevy can beat that
price: chevy $3,000 more for comparible equipt truck
I considered at all 3 trucks(was driving nissan no bias)
Ford the best bang for buck
Chevy less willing to go below MSRP
DOC-f150 can verify this
How else can you explain f150 the best selling vehicle in the world for 17 years running
Off the subject, but I saw it turning this way and found this interesting, although not surprising:
Think it was in the current Peterson 4-Wheel Off-road mag I read at the walmart bookstand...they listed the best selling trucks...
#1= Ford Fullsize at 800,000+/year
#2= Chevy Fullsize at 500,000+/year
The GMC Fullsize came in somewhere down the list at like 1-200,000+...but not sure exactly. Not sure where Dodge Fullsize came in.
Mark
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1996 GMC Sierra 2WD RC/SB Light Autumnwood Metallic 5.0L 4 Speed Auto 3.08 rear gears; K&N Air Filter, Bosch +4, MSD SuperConductors, Ventshades, Hood Deflector/Protector. Wanting: 3" lift
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