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Old 10-08-2009, 01:35 PM
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4.6 - Lightning 5.4 swap TOO many questions!

k guys i have a 97 supercab 2 wheel drive and i want to ditch my 3v 4.6 for a 2v 5.4. i lined up a 2001 lightning supercharged motor+tranny, all of the wiring harnesses and ecu's i would need to switch, gauge cluster, intake, blah blah blah let's just say i have everything i would need make this project work...BUT, is there anything else i need to make everything fit under my hood?? like motor and tranny mounts?

here is a picture of everything i will be purchasing:


also, if i do complete this motor swap like i plan to, would long tube headers fit on my ford if it already has a 3/4 drop?? or would i not have the clearance and be forced to go with shorties?

would love as much info as i can get thanks!

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Old 10-08-2009, 01:46 PM
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Not to sound rude but you have a 3v 4.6 in your '97? Just checking...Sorry I have nothing helpful.
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Old 10-08-2009, 01:48 PM
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1) headers should be fine, no clue why your worried.
2) i believe the mounts were interchangeable, i didnt buy motor mounts but i personally didnt change my trans.

I dont see: Fan shroud (mounts intercooler reservoir), mounts for the intercooler's heat exchanger, fuel pump unless i'm overlooking it,

fyi, 97's were 2v 4.6. I would recommend buying a aftermarket crank pulley assembly so you can up your boost ring that way.
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Old 10-08-2009, 02:04 PM
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If you really have a 3v I call dibs on it

Your current trans is a 4R70w and the Lightning has a 4R100

you have two routes, use current PCM/trans and retune the PCM for lightning engine.
or you can mount the 4R100 under your truck, shorten your drive shaft, and use the lightning PCM
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Old 10-08-2009, 02:07 PM
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lmao...umm 2v sorry. messed up typing too fast.

ok so bassani long tube headers will fit?? just making sure i don't want to have to spend a grand on headers just to find out my truck is too low for them to clear space.

so i would need new transmission mounts?

and i'll talk to the guy about those parts just to make sure those items are included, i want to make sure i have everything right now so i won't have to run around for those stupid little bits and pieces that just frustrate people.

also, would an entire rear end from an 01 lightning bolt right up?

my current trans has no reverse which was the basis for this entire swap lol why spend the money on a rebuilt 4R70W when i can get a used 4R100 with a 5.4 supercharged triton included... so i would take your second option... what's the best way to shorten a driveshaft?

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yea the axles and mounts are the same, im not sure if the pinion is a little longer on the bigger rear end or not, but if you are going to shorten your driveshaft that wont be a big deal

I would let a profession driveline shop do the shortening, a place that does that sort of thing daily, should only cost about 100 with new Ujoints too
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Old 10-08-2009, 08:13 PM
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That is an awesome setup.If you use the Lightning tranny, you will need a 4r100 tranny brace, a transmission yoke for a lightning transmission( they are different/beefier to the regular 4r100 yoke!)
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:40 PM
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Wow,,that is one clean looking motor! Is it new or just very low miles?
I'm pretty sure the motor mounts are the same but you will need the cross member for the 4r100.
I had a two piece drive-shaft made for my truck (to long of distance for one piece after removing the T case) at this place. They do great work. http://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/index.html And you will need the bigger 4r100 trany yoke on the drive-shaft.

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I had a two piece drive-shaft made for my truck (to long of distance for one piece after removing the T case)
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How was it too long? from a spinning, twisting off with the higher power?

because it should actually be less distance then my truck has on it since the 4R100 is longer then my 4R70w
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How was it too long? from a spinning, twisting off with the higher power?

because it should actually be less distance then my truck has on it since the 4R100 is longer then my 4R70w
When I had it made I was still running the 4r70w without a T case.
After I put in the 4r100 they probably could have made me a one piece but I just had the two piece shortened.

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Old 10-09-2009, 01:04 AM
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When I had it made I was still running the 4r70w without a T case.
After I put in the 4r100 they probably could have made me a one piece but I just had the two piece shortened.

Phil
My truck came factory with a one piece. You didnt say, but i assume its from the power increase, that is the concern right?
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Old 10-10-2009, 02:57 AM
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the motor is used with umm 90K miles.

love the info guys keep it coming I need as much as I can get!

nobody answered my question about the trans mounts will I need new ones to fit the 4R100 trans?
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Old 10-10-2009, 03:13 AM
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the motor is used with umm 90K miles.

love the info guys keep it coming I need as much as I can get!

nobody answered my question about the trans mounts will I need new ones to fit the 4R100 trans?
umm yeah, two of us answered that question!
You need the 4r100 cross member! The tranny bolts to that.

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11.76 @ 116.17

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Old 10-10-2009, 04:13 AM
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Oh yeah,
you will need a 4r100 dipstick tube and dipstick.
It's longer then your 4r70

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Old 10-10-2009, 04:20 AM
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nice to see another lightning swap under way..yer gonna love it when yer done..good luck
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