just a thought:

fipk = 7 rwhp 10 rwtq $200
honed intake = 23 rwhp 27 rwtq ~$400
port heads = 36 rwhp 40 rwtq ~$450
custom chip = 25 rwhp 30 rwtq $350
headers = 9 rwhp 11 rwtq $350
exhaust = 13 rwhp 18 rwtq $850
electric fan = 5 rwhp 7 rwtq $200
24lb. fuel injectors = ? $250

total estimate = ~118rwhp 143rwtq

stock = 165rwhp 200rwtq
after = 283rwhp 343rwtq

supercharger adds 75rwhp 90rwtq $3500

total= 358rwhp 433rwtq
total price: $6550

then you also need(because none of these would hold up):

forged pistons
forged connection rods
forged steel crank
transmission
rear end
driveshaft
maybe suspension
a miracle that all this power doesn't blow your engine
total price = ~$10,000!!!

correct me where i'm wrong, i did this estimate in 30 minutes.

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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body

PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb

[This message has been edited by Talleywacker (edited 04-10-2001).]

 

Th cost looks good, but I don't think all of those things would bring the power up that much. Kenny Brown performance has a 4.2 mustang that the did all the porting & polishing and put a new cam in. I also want to say a new fabricated throttle body. The car put out something like 245 hp (crank). However, all this airflow work will really help out the breathing when the blower is strapped on and the gains for it should be higher than what its rated for.Wouldn't it be great to have that kinda dough laying around to spend on your truck.

 

Somehow I doubt that you would be able to reach that much power through thoes mods.

fipk = 7 rwhp 10 rwtq
At best you would reach that power at the rear wheels, but chances are that you would reach that at the flywheel instead of the wheeles.

honed intake = 23 rwhp 27 rwtq and ported heads = 36 rwhp 40 rwtq
I have no basis for any compareson for power.

custom chip = 25 rwhp 30 rwtq
Again thoes are the #'s for the flywheel not the rear wheeles, I would not expect to see thoes kind of numbers at the rear wheeles.

headers = 9 rwhp 11 rwtq
Nocompreson as of yet to say anything on the Hp improvements

exhaust = 13 rwhp 18 rwtq
I would not say that it gives 13 rwhp, but it feels more like it would be around 10. And $850!!! you lookin at the most expensive exhaust in the world?

electric fan = 5 rwhp 7 rwtq
This I would not expect. I have an electric fan on my truck and it feeles like there is no diffrence in Hp what so ever. So again thoes numbers are probably flywheel.

24lb. fuel injectors = ?
If you upgrade fuel injectors dont forget you need some upgrades to your computer system, like the M.A.F sensor. and other various upgrades.

 

well, i checked with some sources and you guys are right. with all the mods stated above, i'd only be seeing ~295rwhp.

still, thats impressive for a 6

the supercharger would add the most, especially with port and polish intake and heads.

new estimate - ~280-295rwhp

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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body

PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb

 

Dude, that is ricer math!

You are not going to get the maximum HP number from each mod. That is a guestimate of the BEST that can be done from the product. So like the filter will maybe give you 1hp. Intake 5hp. Headers most likely 1-2hp. Ported heads more like 15-20. It is the cam that is really made for LOW end power, not top end HP. Should have bought a mustang if you want the top end power. Electric fan would be worth about 10. Exhaust, maybe 5.

Sometimes you add 2 things and the sum total is less than just one modification to the power curve. You would be lucky to push out 250hp from the V6 with the stock cam. That would take a LOT of porting to the heads and intake. The chip would have to be custom burned also.

So you say you doubt what I say? Take a look at this article on the 5L stang. It will humble you to the errors of ricer math:

http://reality.sgi.com/staheri_corp/mycar/bop.html


[This message has been edited by Matt90GT (edited 04-12-2001).]

 

Supersix motor sports had a package on the 3.8l (same block) pumping out 350 hp total....so one would assume that the same block but a tad bigger could get their as well. Of course the kit was pretty pricy and you had to ship them your core parts.

 

I just looked at it again...they are claiming 350 rwhp.....so i guess its possible...or as long as the dyno proves it right. Here's the comparison chart of their various mods and packages with the rwhp and rwt numbers. But the numbers are for the 3.8l mustang which is like 30 hp less than us...i think they are 180 at the crank and we are 205-210 at the crank...so i would assume the numbers are in the right ball park for us, perhaps a little bit low. http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/ppmatrix.htm

[This message has been edited by ilmagill (edited 04-12-2001).]

 

I hate to say it, but with my hands on work and research the HP guess you are giving are real high.

> fipk = 7 rwhp 10 rwtq $200
I would estamate 5rwhp at the VERY most

> honed intake = 23 rwhp 27 rwtq ~$400
~15rwhp maybe

> port heads = 36 rwhp 40 rwtq ~$450
~30rwhp depending on the degree of porting

> custom chip = 25 rwhp 30 rwtq $350
I know you guy love chips, but unless it's a custom dyno tuned chip, don't expect no more than ~5rwhp. This has been proven several times in the Mustang community- mail order chips don't even come close on advertised values. With a dyno tune, I can see that kind of gain, though.

>headers = 9 rwhp 11 rwtq $350
That's fair it they are long tubes

>exhaust = 13 rwhp 18 rwtq $850
Maybe, but only with an off road pipe

>electric fan = 5 rwhp 7 rwtq $200
I doubt even 1rwhp

>24lb. fuel injectors = ? $250
Don't adds power- just makes sure you are getting enough fuel. Add a aftermarket MAF for the recalibration and a few hp.

Add a cam to that list for 10-15 hp if used in conjuction with porting work- it would be a waste not to swap the cam if you pull the heads anyway for porting.

Even a blown 4.2 will only show around 300-320 rwhp with a good tune and some bolt-ons.
Pete at v6power was pumping 296rwhp with a blown 99 3.8 on a stock engine. There is only a 15 hp difference between 99+ 3.8's and 4.2's.

 

Hey guys,

My truck put out 320 rwhp on the Superchips dyno on Feb. 9th 2000. That was before headers.Just some food for thought.

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99 Black F150 4x4 4.2
Powerdyne SVO BD11-a Supercharger
12lb. of boost
24 psi.high flow fuel injectors
Port matched intake
Boost gauge 30"HG-20PSI A piller mount
Ram air intake
K&N air filter
JBA Headers
True dual exhaust w/Flowmasters(2 1/2 in. pipe)
custom programed Superchip(Flip chip)
All black factory sport package.
Rhino Liner
GTO smoke headlight&tailight covers
limo tint

 

DID YOU GUYS EVEN READ MY SECOND POST????? READ ALL BEFORE YOU POST!!! i already stated my claims were off, however, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO GET 320+RWHP!!!... just takes money!

thanks XanMan for backing my up a little.

and for the rest of you guys... READ what i posted as i stated i WAS OFF on my estimate.

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TRUCK
White 00' XLT 4.2 Auto Sport
Regular cab Styleside
3.55 non-limited slip
Superchip
Airaid FIPK
custom ported STOCK throttle body

PC
Thunderbird 1.1ghz @ 1.33ghz
Abit KT7A-Raid
384mb Kingmax PC-150 ram
60gig IBM 75gxp RAID array
Geforce2 GTS 64mb

 

xanman, i think 12 lbs. of boost says it all!running (6)-24 lb injectors that has to be dangerously close to running lean. a stock 4.6 has more fuel delivery than your 6. i belive even the grand nationals and super coupes ran 27 to 28 # injectors. did you do anything to your head gaskets or are they stock?

 

BrotherDave,

I went with Mike Troyer and Superchips recommendation on the fuel injectors and Jay (at Superchips)said that there was plenty left on the fuel curve.I think he said they would support 350 hp. but don't quote me on that. But when the time comes I will brobably upgrade MAF,Injectors,and head gaskets(O-ring the heads).

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99 Black F150 4x4 4.2
Powerdyne SVO BD11-a Supercharger
12lb. of boost
24 psi.high flow fuel injectors
Port matched intake
Boost gauge 30"HG-20PSI A piller mount
Ram air intake
K&N air filter
JBA Headers
True dual exhaust w/Flowmasters(2 1/2 in. pipe)
custom programed Superchip(Flip chip)
All black factory sport package.
Rhino Liner
GTO smoke headlight&tailight covers
limo tint

 

It is very possible to get these types of numbers with the right amount of cash... I've seen a reciprocating mass kit for a Probe 2.5L V-6 that bumps it to around ~425hp at the wheels. Keep in mind: 1. It has to run on an extremely high octane fuel; 2. The kit strokes it out to around 2.8L; 3. The kit costs about 7 Grand. my $.02

 

xanman what are your thoughts on this.
you are making about 10 to 20 less rwhp than a lightning. the lightning has 8, 41 # injectors. also if you read the computerchip thread you have seen neal post about how he thinks his truck is running out of gas, he estimates 330 to 340 h.p.(maybe, maybe not) that would mean probably 300 rwhp. he currently has 8, 19 # injectors.
do you think maybe superchips under estimated the power you would make or do you think the lightning injector are way
oversized. it seem a little to close for comfort.
41# x 8 = 328
19# x 8 = 152
24# x 6 = 144
have you had your truck to the track?

 

BrotherDave,

I to am a little concerned about fuel at top end.Right now I am having a program conflict at WOT the truck noses over at about 4,400 rpm's and then shifts and starts pulling again.Superchips thinks it's a timing issue,they think there is a file that is dropping the timing as a safety measure before the shift. He said that they found the same file in the lightings. There's hit the (wall) at like 94 mph.But back to the fuel issue right now I have no detonation at all.But I also have a flipchip with an aggressive and a conservative side, one was set up for high ele. and one for sea level. and it does it on both sides.I am installing my headers on the 23rd. which JBA tells me that it will add 20 to 30 hp. because it's supercharged and it will breathe so much better.So the ball is in Superchips court right now.They more than likely will need the truck back on the dyno to tune it right so I an waiting for a call.I wish I could take it to the track but what good would it do at 7/8 throttle? But I do have a G-tech that I have fun with .

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99 Black F150 4x4 4.2
Powerdyne SVO BD11-a Supercharger
12lb. of boost
24 psi.high flow fuel injectors
Port matched intake
Boost gauge 30"HG-20PSI A piller mount
Ram air intake
K&N air filter
JBA Headers
True dual exhaust w/Flowmasters(2 1/2 in. pipe)
custom programed Superchip(Flip chip)
All black factory sport package.
Rhino Liner
GTO smoke headlight&tailight covers
limo tint

[This message has been edited by XanMan (edited 04-15-2001).]