98 V6 4R70W rebuild

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Old 08-26-2014, 11:35 AM
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Arrow 98 V6 4R70W rebuild

Here is a prime example why should not install a used 98 Mustang 3.8L V6 transmission behind a 95 5.0L V8 F-150 truck and expect to tow trailers with it.

The transmission was delivered to me already removed from the vehicle.

With the transmission torn down, I find the forward and direct clutches are burned, The direct clutches are so burned, the friction plates and steel plates are warped in a concave fashion. The reverse clutches were also discolored from heat and starting to flake. The intermediate clutches are discolored and worn, the steels and pressure plate have been so hot it looks like a ring of copper around the center of each steel and the pressure plate.
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Since this is a V6 transmission, a thicker pressure plate is used on the direct and intermediate clutch pack and one less clutch is installed. The direct clutches are the older style tan paper clutches and the intermediate clutches are the older smooth style clutches. This transmission also has the smaller 2.5" OD servo piston
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When I got the valve body apart, I found the wrong separator plate gasket installed. This is a 2001 up separator plate gasket and will not work for a 96-2000 valve body because of different fluid circuits and holes in the gasket. The separator plated was very rusty and badly etched. I replace the entire valve body with a used spare I had.
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This transmission was completely rebuilt and almost all the parts are getting upgraded. All the clutch pressure plates are updated to allow more clutches, the direct clutch gets 6 clutches with the black high carbon material and thicker steel plates, 5 forward clutches with the HD/5.4L wave plate installed, 4 reverse clutches and 4 intermediate clutches with the high carbon material with fluid grooves. The overdrive band is upgraded to a high carbon material and the larger 2.7" servo is being installed. The newer style intermediate stub shaft is being installed, this shaft is hardened material and doesn't have a taper where the splines start. Improvements to lubrication and fluid flow are accomplished by enlarging the lube holes on the direct drum and stator support. The direct drum sealing rings are also upgraded to the once piece Teflon rings. The one piece rings seal much tighter and will not collapse with age and heat.
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:06 AM
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Surprised the transmission even would work after it was installed in the truck in the first place. I enjoy reading your posts on the rebuilds.
 
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Old 04-06-2015, 10:58 PM
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quick update on this transmission...

The vehicle owner called me in October saying it was installed and was slipping. I drove 2 hrs to his house to assess what was happening.
On the test drive the transmission would slip briefly when taking off from a dead stop but did NOT slip once the vehicle gained speed.
The transmission up shifted and down shifted normally.
Originally, I suspected the torque converter slipping or the low/reverse one way clutch was not holding.
We agreed he would take the transmission out again and I would fix it for him.
Fast forward to the end of January and the vehicle owner called me saying he had hurt is back and was not able to remove the transmission himself.
He said the transmission had lost 3rd gear and was slipping in 1st and 2nd. I Towed the truck to my house to evaluate what had happened.
With the transmission removed and torn apart, I found the plastic thrust washer on the pump was melted, the forward clutches were burned and the direct clutches were burned.












NO other damage was found.... no cut seals, no damaged teflon rings or sealing rings, no damaged gaskets in the valve body, no stuck valves, front pump was good visually and had proper clearance a feeler gauge.
I happen to stumble across an old TSB from Ford in one of my ATSG manuals;

**Complaint; After rebuild, the vehicle displays a slip and/or chatter in forward ranges when you are accelerating from a stop, Reverse is OK.
All sealing rings, bushings, seals and forward clutch drum are known to be good.

Cause; The cause may be a partially clogged shift solenoid #2, which will stroke the 3-4 shift valve far enough to exhaust some of the forward clutch oil.

Correction; Install 2 pressure gauges to check the line pressure and forward clutch pressure. With the transmission in Drive both gauges should read the same and should be 55-75 psi. If forward clutch pressure is lower than line pressure and all internal parts are known to be good, replace the shift solenoid.
**

This described exactly what was happening!

A new shift solenoid was ordered and installed. I fully rebuilt the transmission again, new seals, new gaskets, new clutches and I replaced the low/reverse one way clutch and installed new front pump gears, for good measure.
Once I had all the parts assembled, I figure out why the plastic thrust washer had melted. What I found was the end play measurement was right on the threshold. I suspect, while my measurement was correct, the thrust washer that was used may have been on the thicker side of normal and caused too little clearance.



My measurement came out being 1.585" which is supposed to be correct for the Red thrust washer, but when I assembled the front pump on the trans case it was too tight. I dug through me bag of spare parts and found a OEM natural thrust washer that was on the thicker side of normal and assembled the pump on the case with that washer and it came out perfect.... so lesson learned, the chart is not always correct.

With the transmission built and ready to install, I had a few other issues to deal with.... First 3 of the 6 bell housing bolts were missing, as in never installed from the previous install. I was able to find 3 spares I had from a core transmission. Second, the passenger side bell housing alignment pin/dowel was missing, again I was able to find a spare and install it. You can see in the picture of the alignment pin below where somebody had installed the transmission with out the dowel installed and chewed up the bell housing plate.




Third, the nuts that bolt to the transmission mount to the transmission cross member had been replace with with wheel lug nuts that had been cross threaded on. I robbed a good mount from a core transmission. With those issues resolved, I flushed the transmission cooler and installed the transmission.





Test drive the vehicle and confirm it has all gears, no slipping and shifts correctly. Hook my pressure gauges, as the TSB mentions, and confirm correct pressures.

While I had the truck, the owner complained of the truck running poorly and would randomly mis-fire. First thing I found was the vacuum hose to the HVAC blend servo was deteriorated. I repaired that with a new piece of hose.



The second thing I found was the base ignition timing was set incorrectly.
I marked the balancer, pulled the spout connector and set base ignition timing to 12* BTDC. The truck ran much better and seemed to have more power. I also found the coolant temp was reading too cold (174 degrees) which is not hot enough to get the PCM to switch from closed to open loop.
I offered to replace the thermostat, but the owner declined. Owner of the truck picked it up last week and claims its running and shifting better than ever.
 



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