I would just find a wrecked navigator with the 5.4 4v and 6spd and swap the whole motor/tranny/pcm/wiring harness out if thats what you want.
Then again it might just be easier to hack up a expy and put a bed on the back
But seriously tho, my roomate went from an automatic 4L60E in his camaro ss to a T56 6spd. And he had to litterally change every wire on the car to get it to work. Basically his 2000 SS automatic now thinks its a 2001 TransAm with a 6spd. And visa-versa
Never say never, but like quintin is suggesting, it wont be anywhere near practical to do as a self taught shade tree mechanic or w.e So be prepared to shell out some big bucks to have it done, IF you can even find someone that will agree to take on the job
-Patrick
You know I would consider this, if my truck wasn't my daily driver AND it didn't only have 3700 miles on it. I've got a guy that could and would do it, but I'm afraid to ask how much $$$. Also, I'm not sure if my Whipple would even work on the 4V 5.4. If it did, that sure would be a screamer!
The 6 speed only came with the 3V, all 4Vs are still 4R100s.
In regards as to the exact why's it wouldn't work, honestly, I'm not 100% sure. I do know that the Expedition/Navigator rely a lot more on network communications for all vehicle functions than an F150 does. This can bite you when you start rewiring things in ways you wouldn't expect. Just something as simple as a vehicle speed reference; the F150 uses the sensor in the differential, while the ZF slushbox uses the OSS in the transmission tailstock. So, either you'd have to find a way to provide a speed signal to the 6 speed's TCM via the sensor in the differential, or you'd have to overlay a harness going to the OSS on the 6 speed so the TCM has a speed signal. The PCM needs this speed signal too, so there's something else you may have to overlay.
It may be easier using the 6 speed in the Exploder/Mountaineer, but it'd still be a big task spending a lot of time with the wiring diagram to make everything work as planned. You'd have to figure in the hard parts as well; the cost of either transmission (I think the ZF unit is about $3800 alone), you may have to replace or bend some lines to get fluid flowing to the cooler and back to the trans, the cost/time of wiring harnesses that you'll probably have to modify, you'd have to fabricate a crossmember, you'd probably need a custom length driveshaft...if you were really industrious and had a lot of time on your hands, you could probably make it work, but the whole cost/effort rationale should be thought of hard and realistically here.
if you were really industrious and had a lot of time on your hands, you could probably make it work, but the whole cost/effort rationale should be thought of hard and realistically here.
most important part of his statement. not that the other things werent good points, but thats kinda what i was suggesting...
-Patrick
The 4R100 are for Lightnings and Harleys, the Factory Tech(Monsterbox) you need is the 4R75W. Factory Tech sells the best forged transmission on the market for our trucks Mcdover.
I really would like to have a C-6 tranny on my truck and i am 99% sure that Mike Troyer can make it work, the reason i stopped my research on this is just because there is no Forged C-6 for sale yet and my truck needs one for very high HP applications.
If i wasn't going to pass the 500RWHP mark, i would contact Mike Troyer and ask him about the C-6.thumbsup:
The 4R100 are for Lightnings and Harleys, the Factory Tech(Mosnterbox) you need is the 4R75W. Factory Tech sells the best forged transmission on the market for our trucks Mcdover.
I really would like to have a C-6 tranny on my truck and i am 99% sure that Mike Troyer can make it work, the reason i stopped my research on this is just because there is no Forged C-6 for sale yet and my truck needs one for very high HP applications.
If i wasn't going to pass the 500RWHP mark, i would contact Mike Troyer and ask him about the C-6.thumbsup:
Thanks for the info Rafa, I'll call Troyer's tomorrow.
Thanks for the info Rafa, I'll call Troyer's tomorrow.
BTW Mcdover, i drive my wife's Infiniti QX-56 which comes with a 6 speed transmission sometimes and i can tell you man, that's a night and day difference comparing with our trannys. A lot more responsive, revs a lot faster...
BTW Mcdover, i drive my wife's Infiniti QX-56 which comes with a 6 speed transmission sometimes and i can tell you man, that's a night and day difference comparing with our trannys. A lot more responsive, revs a lot faster...
You've got me real interested in that c-6. I've been shot down everytime I asked about something like this. Glad to know there's hope.
Yup, thats how I change my bell housing patterns all the time
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I thought the 4R100 is the same design as the C6. With just another gear. Obviously they lost something in there with the addition of the other gear.
In '88 the E4OD was designed off the C6, then in '99 the 4R100 was the replacement of the E4OD. Both are great trannys, considering what they are asked to do.
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All the new body style F-150 does not come with 4R100W, they come with 4R75W, single cab or supercrew.
4R100"w" don't exist. The 4R75"w" don't exist. The only "w" is the 4R70w to denote a wide ratio gear set over it's preceding AODE.
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Did they quit putting the 4r100 in supercrews?
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Originally Posted by Virilha
4R100W come on Lightnings and Harley Davidson.
The 4R100 has been used from '99-'04 in the superdutys behind the 5.4L, 6.8L, and 7.3L. Some '99-'01 5.4L F-150s, and all the '99-'03 Lightnings, Harleys, and F-150 7700s.
Yup, thats how I change my bell housing patterns all the time
In '88 the E4OD was designed off the C6, then in '99 the 4R100 was the replacement of the E4OD. Both are great trannys, considering what they are asked to do.
4R100"w" don't exist. The 4R75"w" don't exist. The only "w" is the 4R70w to denote a wide ratio gear set over it's preceding AODE.
The 4R100 has been used from '99-'04 in the superdutys behind the 5.4L, 6.8L, and 7.3L. Some '99-'01 5.4L F-150s, and all the '99-'03 Lightnings, Harleys, and F-150 7700s.
Adrianspeeder
Mine has a 4R75E. If Rafa thinks Mike Troyer can do it, it's worth a phone call. If not, Hello Monster Box!
Yep, I knew some supercrew f150s came with them. Guess not all of them though. I knew a friend of mine had one in his.
The C6 is a good tranny. Not sure if it's possible to put in these trucks or not. But, I do know I would miss that overdrive. My mpg are already bad enough.
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