Ok does anyone know who makes and where to buy a Upgraded/Performance/Stronger E4OD for a 97 F150 4x4 that is built stronger and better than the stock version? I figure if the tranny needs replacemant why not spend a bit more for an improved version of the E4OD and the torque converter. I know JET makes some but am not sure if they have them for my application since they never reply to my e-mails. I know some places build them with stronger shafts and internals better clucth and friction plates as well as more plates and that would be great especially since I tow a boat.
OK well I read the FAQ's page and although there is some good info on it, it still left me with questions. Do you sell completed trannys or do I need to send you my tranny to be modified ? Can I buy all the parts from you that you put in the tranny to make it stronger and then have a local shop rebuild mine for me and would that make it the same as if what you would have done to it? Will this work for my 4x4 and will it help imrove towing performance?
Will the performance street torque converter also be good for my application? Another question I have is the trans. cooler that comes stock on my truck suffecietn enough to keep the trans. at it proper temp of 195* or lower or should I consider using a differant one? Aslo do you do anything to the pump which is on the front of the tranny or is the stock one simply reused?
So many questions....
I can't do a swap on the 1997, it's an oddball case, the only year they had the new mod bell pattern but the old wormtrail so a 97 has to have a 97 core and I don't stock them. I can rebuild it if you send it to me, or I sell a kit to upgrade it at a local shop.
All of this will work fine in a 4WD tranny. I'd steer clear of a 'performance converter" for towing, the things you do for racing are not good for towing, but I do have 1 converter here that will work great for towing, actually it's just what you want, I had it built for some tests, it's never been installed in a truck, just put in a tranny on a dyno for some research, it's 6 bolt, so it may not work for you unless you get a 6.8L flywheel, but prolly worth the effort if you can find one at a junkyard, I'll let it go for $250, which is half what I paid for it. Your stock cooler is okay, but for about $60 you can get a much better one, avoid the ones that have a tube running through a fin setup, the trickle flow units work a lot better, I'll get you a name to look for.
195 Degrees is way to hot for a 4R100, with the sender in the test port, you should be running about 125 on the highway, 150 in traffic, maybe 175 towing, max.
Tech, that's great info on the tranny temps. I tow a #4500 travel trailer and installed a tranny temp gauge, but I used the output line to the rad for the sender.
From what I am seeing on my gauge is pretty much the same as you say for a sender in the test port. Actually, my highway towing temp is only 135* while in third gear and going 60 mph, but that was with an outside temp of only 40*, so I guess that's a factor too?
I'm curious on that 'special' TC you mentioned..... What does it do that the factory one does not? Since I'm taking my temp from the output line, I can tell pretty fast when my TC is 'unlocked', as the temp goes up pretty fast, but once it 'locks', the temp goes down pretty fast too.... Otherwise, my temps at the gauge has never gone higher then 150* when the truck is moving.
The only time my temp gauge showed 195* was while backing the trailer into it's parking spot. I put it in "N" and let it idle for about 5 minutes and the temp went down to <180* and I finished up, but would a larger cooler really make any difference in that case?, as there is no 'true' airflow into the grill anyway, except for the fan. I'm waiting until summer and see what the temps do while driving to really decide if I need to upgrade from the factory one.
OK more than likely what I would do then is just buy all the internal parts that you would use and just have a local shop take care of the rebuild I can't be without my truck for as long as it would take to remove then ship to you etc etc. I would like to hear about he cooler you refered to if I can make the cooling better that is alway a plus would the cooler you speak of just go in place of the stock cooler. ( in other words can I unbolt my cooler and just put the other cooler in its place) that would be the ideal situation. Is there a differance between the E4OD and the 4R100 or are they the same tranny with diff. numbers? I have an E4OD in my truck. With your parts upgrade does it include any valve body parts I curently have a Transgo Shift kit so would I just reuse those parts or do you replace parts in the valve body as well? And I am assuming that your kit puts in stronger as well as more and better quality clutch plates is this correct? How about the shafts and planaetray gears etc.. ? How much of the stock tranny really gets kept? I know I have a ton of questions but I like to be informed before I decide to buy. Not into dealing with a new flywheel so I will stick with the stock converter unless ther is another name brand you might recomend for my application. One more thing does your kit include any upgrades to the stock trans. pump located on the front of the trans?
On the parts, I include a new accumulator valve body, so you can swap out the entire thing, or if you like the way it shifts now, I can delete it for $100. The E4OD and the 4R100 are pretty much the same, 98 was the last E4OD, the differences are about normal for any model year change, I don't hink you would have the TSS sensor, but I'd have to look up the specific model. On the plates, I use better plates and wher I can I add more, teh direct will take 7 or 8 in place of the 4 or 5 you have, the forward will take 5 or 6 in place of 4, the OD 4 in place of 2 or 3, and if it's gas, I give you 6 plates of reverse instead of 5, (diesels already have 6).
If you have 3 or 4 gear planets, I can upgrade tehm to 6 gear units, it's extra, the price is geared towars Lightnings which already have 6, the carriers are cast iron instead of the aluminum the 4 or 3 gear sets use. I'll have ot look up a price on that. I include an upgraded pump valve that stops some normal pressure leaks, but the pump itslef is not upgraded, doing much to the pump is pretty expensive and not a good return, it's normally fine as it is. I slao include the PTO coast clutch drum, it gives you an extra plate and replaces a plastic thrust washer with a ball bearing assembly.
On the converter, the one I have here I got to test a few things, it's a factory stall speed but it has beefed up components throughout, the steel is a heavier gauge than factory, the thrust washer on the front of the damper is replaced with a torrington bearing and the plastic bearing surface on the reactor is replaced with one made of metal, it's furnace brazed in the impeller and the turbine, so it's a pretty beefy hunk of iron, not performance , just a much better converter.
Thanks FAC. TECH for all the info if you could slip me an e-mail at F1504RAD@aol.com on a total price I would appreciate it I am in Calif. for shipping costs. I don't need it right this minute but I do have 70k miles on mine and it does appear to be starting to slip a bit in second gear and since I tow a boat improveing on the stock version with and new and improved version is alway a better way to go than just swapping it out with a trans. that is the same. With regard to the valve body am I understanding you correctly it is a swap with your valve body which I assume has shift kit in it? My truck is a 97 F150 4x4 w/5.4L E4OD Trailer tow package let me know if there is anything else you need from me info wise. I know you said you have a torque converter you are still testing but is there another manufactures brand of converter that may be better for my application? If yours is the one then that is what i would go with just asking if there is another alternative. Also can you give me than name and part number of the Trans. Cooler you spoke of earlier that is an improvement over the stock one.
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