Pissed...

Calgary351GT · #1 08-30-2012, 10:06 PM

Ford dealers and RV dealers are scammers...

Although I should have known better. When I bought my 2012 Ecoboost with the tow package, all Ford ever mentioned was the 9700lb pull rating and the 15500lb GCRW.

I knew I would eventually be looking at purchasing a 28-30 foot TT. No problem, right? Everyone I have ever looked at was always under 8500 lbs. Well within those limits.

I never even thought about GVWR. Should have dug a little more when I was truck shopping instead of TT shopping.

My truck is rated for 1201 lbs total cargo and passengers according to the door sticker. (GVWR 7200 ). With a tongue wt of the trailer I want between 900 to 1000lbs using 12% of the total TT weight. This quickly puts me over the limits for GVWR.

What steams me even more is that I had 4 different RV dealers tell me and nearly convince me that hitch weight is not included in the cargo weight. They were quite willing to sell me any of these over weight TT's.

Even my truck manual 'carefully' tip toes around the hitch wt./ GVRW relationship.

Any comments???? I know I am just whining...

Stealth · #2 08-30-2012, 10:08 PM

Having a hard time comprehending how Ford dealers are scammers.

Calgary351GT · #3 08-30-2012, 10:36 PM

Because they rave about pulling capacity. That was all I ever heard about the f150 when I was buying. There as a couple of thousand pound difference between what my truck will pull and what it is allowed to hang off the back. Seems a bit sneaky to me.

I'm sure all dealers are the same way. Its just that I've never been in any others. I've only bought Fords all my life.

I've already found 3 people I know who have 1/2 tons that are most likely over their GVWR pulling a TT. They had no idea.

Stealth · #4 08-30-2012, 10:39 PM

I know it's kind of late for this but a little research prior to purchase will solve these types of problems.

Calgary351GT · #5 08-30-2012, 10:41 PM

Ya. I mentioned that....

Be nice to find someone that would be willing to tell me the truth too.

tarajerame · #6 08-30-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgary351GT

Ya. I mentioned that....

Be nice to find someone that would be willing to tell me the truth too.

you purchased a half ton truck with a six cylinder

yet the dealers who saw you coming with the sign on your forehead are the "idiots"? thier job is to sell, you bough, they won

you knew you needed a larger truck, yet you chose to purchase a smaller one, now you have a couple options:

buy a smaller trailer
buy a larger truck
forget towing a trailer and stay at hotels

Calgary351GT · #7 08-30-2012, 10:54 PM

That SAME buddy of mine with that 'six cylinder' pulled a 7500lb TT up a 6degree incline at 70mph for 30mi in 36C heat and could pass anybody he wanted.
Not thinking power is the issue...

Again. I never planned on buying more than a 7000-8000lb TT. Tons of room according to the sales guys.

tarajerame · #8 08-30-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgary351GT

That SAME buddy of mine with that 'six cylinder' pulled a 7500lb TT up a 6degree incline at 70mph for 30mi in 36C heat and could pass anybody he wanted.
Not thinking power is the issue...

Again. I never planned on buying more than a 7000-8000lb TT. Tons of room according to the sales guys.

who said anything about power?? I thought this thread was about your truck not able to tow the trailer you want to buy????

Calgary351GT · #9 08-30-2012, 11:08 PM

six cylinder, or 1/2 ton has nothing to do with the size of trailer. If you read the fine print, there are some than can haul a fair load. 'when properly equipped'.

I assumed you were referring to power.

Calgary351GT · #10 08-30-2012, 11:08 PM

six cylinder, or 1/2 ton has nothing to do with the size of trailer. If you read the fine print, there are some than can haul a fair load. 'when properly equipped'.

I assumed you were referring to power.

dirt bike dave · #11 08-30-2012, 11:44 PM

Max tow rating has been a squishy number for about as long as the makers figured out a high rating helped them sell more vehicles. And that's been for decades.

Suuuuuurrrrre, you can tow x,xxx lbs with this 1/2 ton. Just have an 1/8 tank of fuel, and less than 150 lbs in the cab and bed, including driver and passengers. Oh, and there is only 1 trailer made that has the right weight on the tongue.

Sorry to hear you you fell for it. BTW, if you think the Ford dealers are bad, you will be shocked at the sweet little nothings a trailer salesman will whisper into your ear. According to some of them, every 1/2 ton can tow every trailer, lol.

aussiekeeper · #12 08-31-2012, 12:07 AM

Just put all of your "stuff" in the rear of the trailer and be on your way.

MitchF150 · #13 08-31-2012, 01:17 AM

Where in any of the 'ratings' does it say that 'tow rating' figure is specifically for an RV?

An #8000 TT will have a very different tongue weight than a #8000 boat for example..

Even towing a #8000 flat bed car hauler will put different weights on the truck.

All of the 'tow ratings' I've seen have a "*" next to them that state such things as "not to exceed GVWR or GAWR" and such things like that...

I tow a #5000 TT and I'm about #500 OVER my trucks GVWR..

It tows great and I've got over 238,000 miles on my F150..

What you have for 'ratings' is marketing mumbo jumbo.. Kinda like all the stuff that's getting spit out for the presidential election we have to put up with... (on both sides of the fence.. They are both full of BS!)

Anyway, brouchure 'ratings' are all hype and perfect world situations at best..

My 15 year old 5.4 only has 230 hp and 330 tq and that's when it was new.. I still enjoy the power it has and it tows my trailer just fine. I don't need nor wish to go 70 mph while towing.. 60 mph is just fine and it will do it all day long in 3rd gear (2200 rpms).

When I can go to places like this with my little 22' TT and relax and not give a damn what's parked next to me and I'm enjoying life, even for a long weekend, I simply love my 15 year old F150 and 10 year old TT..

I wish you the best!

Mitch

Streetglider07 · #14 08-31-2012, 03:18 AM

T
That's all that counts!

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchF150

Where in any of the 'ratings' does it say that 'tow rating' figure is specifically for an RV?

An #8000 TT will have a very different tongue weight than a #8000 boat for example..

Even towing a #8000 flat bed car hauler will put different weights on the truck.

All of the 'tow ratings' I've seen have a "*" next to them that state such things as "not to exceed GVWR or GAWR" and such things like that...

I tow a #5000 TT and I'm about #500 OVER my trucks GVWR..

It tows great and I've got over 238,000 miles on my F150..

What you have for 'ratings' is marketing mumbo jumbo.. Kinda like all the stuff that's getting spit out for the presidential election we have to put up with... (on both sides of the fence.. They are both full of BS!)

Anyway, brouchure 'ratings' are all hype and perfect world situations at best..

My 15 year old 5.4 only has 230 hp and 330 tq and that's when it was new.. I still enjoy the power it has and it tows my trailer just fine. I don't need nor wish to go 70 mph while towing.. 60 mph is just fine and it will do it all day long in 3rd gear (2200 rpms).

When I can go to places like this with my little 22' TT and relax and not give a damn what's parked next to me and I'm enjoying life, even for a long weekend, I simply love my 15 year old F150 and 10 year old TT..

I wish you the best!

Mitch

tarajerame · #15 08-31-2012, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgary351GT

six cylinder, or 1/2 ton has nothing to do with the size of trailer. If you read the fine print, there are some than can haul a fair load. 'when properly equipped'.

I assumed you were referring to power.

well then you should've purchased a turbo diesel F-350 (or larger) if you wanted a larger towing capacity...

I revert back to my previous post about your three options:

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarajerame

buy a smaller trailer
buy a larger truck
forget towing a trailer and stay at hotels