Dyno numbers for ATI

skidmarkracing · #1 02-02-2002, 11:33 PM

This is on my SCREW 01 with an out of the box tune. Again this is no trix just the blower (stock 6-9 psi) and the superchip (custom burn).

Average run was 350hp with 408 ft lbs of torque. I will have my site back up in about a week and I will have pics of the truck on the dyno as well as scans of the dyno sheets.

I also have the stock sheets and a kenne bell comparo. Stock with the 95 mph cut off it shows 202 hp at 4500 rpm. This will translate into approx 220 at WOT.

We ran a 99 4.6 with a kenne bell and it was 250hp and 317 ft lbs of torque.

All ATI guys: We need bigger injectors. My injectors crapped the bed at 4800 rpm. On the sheet you will see the fuel air go lean at that point. We can easily see another 5 -10 hp with proper fuel in the upper RPM range.

I am working on a program for 42 lbs injectors so we can take the FMU out of the system. This way we can use the chip for fuel control.

I will post more when I am really back online. Like I said give me another week or so to have my T1 in and I will be good to go.

Flats Man · #2 02-03-2002, 01:04 PM

Mark, those are some great numbers! Congratulations!

Blown2run · #3 02-03-2002, 01:08 PM

Nice! Very Nice!

Neal · #4 02-03-2002, 01:28 PM

HI!... SKID : So with a 5.4 making 260H.P (flywheel) and a SUPERCHIP adding 28H.P (flywheel). That would be roughly 288H.P (flywheel). So take off the generalized loss of 65H.P (flywheel) through the drivetrain and you get a RWH.P of 223. Now you made 350RWH.P in stock ATI form. So that's a gain of 127RWH.P with just the ATI. Not bad. Is there anyway you can post a dyno graph of your dyno run, and mabey crash or someone else can pst a similar dyno graph for the MAGNACHARGER. I'm just curious to see where the power starts and builds to finish on both kits. Thanks.

99flareside · #5 02-04-2002, 01:18 AM

Do you (skid) or Crash! have dyno results of an ATI on a 4.6L? Those numbers you have are real good. Can't wait to see what you'll have with all your "trix"!

Crash! · #6 02-04-2002, 09:54 AM

Like I said, we are coming on STRONG this year!

350 HP and 408 FT/LBS??? YES, It's documented, YES, everyone saw it, and YES, we will post images of the graphs soon.

Guys, I was EXTREMELY impressed with these numbers (I think the Lightning guys were too)!!! Keith (Speed Works) and the rest of the guys could not believe we were still running 19 LB injectors!

As Skid said, we have already begun working with Mike on a code for the 42 LB injectors, and we are getting very close to buying PRO-M MAFs and the injectors as a calibrated combination. Skid was running the S&B filter and a Superchip burned by Mike Troyer to our specs, but NO other mods. We will post once we are ready with the combination. Remember, this is with the STOCK TB, and very little air moving over the intercooler!

These numbers are VERY promising! Just wait until we start tweaking this setup!

99flareside-

I am told I will take delivery of Project 2002 on Monday. Once I receive it, I will place my order, and we will have dyno numbers on the 4.6 L very soon. All our Procharger customers are running the 5.4, so I am the only one I am aware of that is running a Procharged 4.6 L. On Project 2002, I will be installing and testing some upgrades from ATI, and I will create a new thread once installed.

Neal-

The ATI makes just under 9 PSI out of the box. We have already posted the stock numbers. Willard will be posting numbers for the Magnacharged 5.4 L at 9 PSI soon.

Frankinaustin · #7 02-04-2002, 03:43 PM

I would be interested to get bigger injectors, chip, (junk the FMU) and a big mouth MAF and TB too. Skid/Crash!: I'd be interested in knowing how much this would all cost prior to the trix kit ya'll plan to release this summer.

Skid is right about running out of fuel up top.

skidmarkracing · #8 02-04-2002, 05:21 PM

The plan is to use a Pro-M MAF and 42# injectors. Then remove both fule pumps and replace with one intank pump with about a 120 rating. We will generate a code to remove the FMU so the system will not have as many parts and we can use the code to produce our fuel air numbers. This will be developed and sold as a package (chip-burn, fuel pump, injectors, MAF, instructions) this way you will get a calibrated kit that will produce some numbers. We do not need to replace the throttle body (very low bang for the buck) as we are forcing air into the intake. If it was a N/A motor then yes but since we have positive pressure instead of negative pressure it will not help out. I am also getting a package together for Rods and Pistons for those who want to push the boost limit. Stock anything over 12 psi is not recommended unless you are looking to buy a new motor. With the pistons and rods I am getting together you can boost until your hearts content.

Frankinaustin · #9 02-04-2002, 05:48 PM

That's exactly what I'm looking for. I also think a good in-tank pump would be spectacular! Yes! AS for the 12 PSI, can you guys also calibrate the tuning kit with a 12 PSI pulley (either lower or upper)? I'd like to just get to 12 PSI. Plus, a flip chip would be great, so I can get better gas milage in-town. (i'd guess you'd sell a calibrated kit that could accomodate up to 12 PSI, in terms of fuel pump capability)

Regarding your trix product, will it allow me to get better performance for up to 12 PSI?

I'm glad you guys are thinking about this.

On another note, does your superchip give you more power and performance in the 2k - 3k zone?

F

PS - Do you work up in Plano at EDS?

skidmarkracing · #10 02-04-2002, 11:33 PM

Everything we propose will add performance and reliablility. The products we offer the push the limit we will let people know the specs and what to expect. NO not EDS. I am a computer geek though. I am a consultant. I mostly do fortune 500 companies. I am considered a network architect and engineer.

For all the techies I am as follows

MCSE (3.51, 4.0, 2000), MCT, CCIE (yes IE), NCDDS (nortel),CNA, A+, N+, Mouse

Started as a greece monkey, went to a custom shop (we did everything from leather to stereos to sunroofs to custom paint)

This is where I learned most of my stuff. Always loved bikes and going fast. Bikes are cheaper to make go fast. My current funny bike is about $100,000 and pulls a 6.89 at 213. to make a car that fast will cost tripple. Anyway all things on the bike cross over to the cars (they are all air pumps).

Crash! · #11 02-05-2002, 12:04 AM

Frank,

It is ironic you mentioned EDS... They are absolutely our (IBM) LARGEST customer. I deal with their technicians every day!

We can do this one of two ways... One side of the Flip-Chip for towing and the other for MAX power, or one side for 9 PSI and the other for 12 PSI. Skid, Mike, and I agree it is probably best to have a towing or a "default" code (for low octane or low quality fuel) on one side, depending on your application. We are definitely trying to cover all bases, and we always consider the fact that these trucks are daily drivers! We will need to apply the new combination to all our ATI customers, and this is a MUST once the chip is installed.

I will be in touch with more information on this combination. You, Nick, Armistad, Skid, Matt, Brad, and myself will all be getting together to buy the injectors, MAF, S&B, and very soon, the 12 PSI pulley custom built by Martin MFG!

I cannot post details here (a proprietary solution), but rest assured, you all will have them very soon. We needed this dyno time to capture the numbers required to make this combination work. The FIRST thing I did was view the graphs of everyone (Superchip or no) and compare the Lightnings to the ATI and the Kenne-Bell. The rest of us were in N/A trim. Some codes were working that day, and others were NOT. I can say this though... Ours WORKED! The numbers do not lie! Special thanks to Mike Troyer for his dedication and special assistance, and to Keith (Speed Works) for putting up with us!

All of this will come together once construction of Project 2002 begins. I will dedicate a thread to it so everyone can see our work from start to finish.

Guys, be patient. We are very close to releasing this combination!

Much more to come!

Frankinaustin · #12 02-09-2002, 10:04 AM

Ya'll I am getting excited and eager for a tunned, calibrated kit to run up to 12 psi w/o FMU!!! Plus I think a flip chip for towing and racing would be cool!!! Mark - have ya'll assembled the components and tested on your truck yet? Since your truck is more like mine (big, auto, slepper-esque) i'd be interested...

Also, are you getting a specially calib'd MAF or just a big'n and letting the chip code do all the pw stuff?

(sorry if i've seemed MIA too - i've been both busy AND about half the replys i submeit here get nuked b/c of this stupid laptop. dont ask...)

F

skidmarkracing · #13 02-09-2002, 08:25 PM

these will be tested in the near future on my truck. As of yet they have not. We are planning and conferencing other tuners in before we purchase the different products. Dont want to spend 300 on a part that will not work. Even worse break parts on the screw. Like I said this will be a 12psi no FMU everyday driver good for about 450hp.

thewhiteford · #14 02-10-2002, 01:00 AM

Skid, you mentioned getting new pistons and rods. Will this be necessary for 12psi? Will your truck's chassis and drivetrain be able to handle daily use with 450hp? Are you planning on reinforcing parts of the frame, adding traction bars, or anything of that sort? Congratulations, though, on those numbers. Can't wait to see what the future holds.

skidmarkracing · #15 02-10-2002, 09:36 PM

Pistons and Rods are for those who want to go beond the 12psi mark. The chassis will take it. It is not like all 450 are stampeading the ground at once. Traction bars are a must if you want to hook at all with street tires. The 4r70w by itself cannot hold the power but with a baumann upgrade it can. 130 is cheap insurance on the tranny.