Were can I find stats on chev vs FORD

[Joe Styles]

Were can I see stats,I want to see some stats on FORD vs chev. vs.dodge.Hemi vs. Lighting etc.
For some reason I am into speed this time around when I trade my FORD in.I was thinking about installing a super charger into her but I don't no now.Any help would be appreciated.thanks

JOE

[treukauf]

go search for ls1 trucks if u want to know what they run they show time slips. I joined this site because my friend needs info. I have been very disappointed. This website cares as much about performance as i care about the scuff mark on my walmart shoes. It took over an hour to locate a couple 1/4 mile times, and there are very few people doing any mods save the very respectable lightnings. On the chevy pickup forums i belong to every page has hop ups and hp specs. Everyone is trying to get faster. This site shows very little interest in actually increasing performance. There are many people running 13's and 12's on the ls1 forums and there is one amazing pcm tuner that has 5.3 putting out over 330 horse at the "crank" with nothing more than a computer program, a thermostat and some 92 octane lol. The 5.4 is a great motor. its low end torque is impressive but when it comes to a stoplight. the area under the curve doesn't lie. low end tq and hp doesn't do a hell of a lot. the 5.3 after programing rev to 6500 rpms. and still make damn good torque as they cruse at 1800rpms. I live on a ranch in montana we run both ford and chevy so i'm not biased by never owning a ford(we have 4, 89 7.3 complete an utter joke the old 82 6.2 with over 300k tows the gooseneck better, 91 ford motor went out at40k tranny went at 87k, new motors burning oil, it gets 9 mpg on the highway been to the shop twice, 3 rangers all gutless except 97 2 motors in 88.) The 7.3 tranny was good i'll admit. but after 4 grand worth of injector pumps and 120k it gets old. IF YOU REALLY WANT SOME DYNO GRAPHS GO TO hyperTECH THEN CLICK ON DOWNLOADS AND HP GRAPHS. Go drive a 00+5.3. first years of everything usually have probs. first year had smaller cam too.

How many people on hear have swapped cams. I see a few turbos and what not. Allen is running 11's with a 94 chevy on pump gas. The greatest part is he is giving every ounce of info to others to help them. More 1/4 times need to be posted. The ls1 forums have strip and street, sections that show wins and losses. P.S. the hemi's will run in the 15's with good driving.

I know this ones gonna get shot back in my face with the "lightning" but its a specialty pickup. Bring it out to my ranch and we'll play with it. By the way your f250's ride like TANKS. The torsion bar set up is amazing, but its not meant to be full time 4x4. Also all the fords one wheel burnouts are really cool. Go watch a chevy burn out.

I do appreciate ford trying to keep the manual transmission alive. Bob lutz (big gm guy) needs to have his head pulled out his @##.

For my final rambling. Everyone complains chevy's dont change bodies or motors enough. hmm. you notice how all chevy parts are cheaper. how much does it cost to build a 350 that puts out serious hp. The 351 had many changes throughout the years. Also look at the new motors. the 4.8, 5.3, 5.7,6.0 all are dimensionally the same. The heads off a ls1 in a vette will bolt on a 6.0 or 5.3. The manual tranny off a vet will bolt on a 4.8. The cam from a vette will slipp right in my 5.3(very common sleeper ford killer)gm makes many perf. parts.Currently they have horrible management problems as lutz came from DODGE.He is responsible for killing the firebird, and bring back the monaro, I mean GTO, And the ever disgusting SSR

I will be awaiting answeres as I would like to get a taste from the other end of the spectrum. I just tell it like I see it. I'm going to go dominate some 5.4's. (haven't raced a 3 valver yet should be close)Start up a discussion about using a h20 methanol injection kit running off of the knock sensors, in order to run 15 psi of boost and I will be impressed. Thank you for your time

[Lindas150]

I'm a Ford guy without a doubt but the interchangeability of the Chevrolet always has been a sore spot with me and the Fords.

Very little interchangeability with the Fords from one engine family to another. The modular is a little better for Ford but not much.

As far as the 5.4 3V, it has plenty of ass and could have much more if Ford wanted it that way. I'm one that has posted on the timelips racing forum. I have raced my 4X4 truck as a baseline and look for more performance down the road as well. The problem is they need gears and unless you opted for the preferably 4.10's they just dont have enough. They are rated at the crank at 305 HP and 369 Lb ft of torque if I remember correctly. Next you need to determine gear ratio's and weight to utilize that power. As I've already said, gears make a great difference in any large heavy vehicle. All the mags I've seen has the Ford weighing more than any of the competitors vehicle of the same configuration (by a couple hundred pounds). If someone can show me one that doesn't I'd like to see it. So there goes some of the ass also from the Ford. It takes more power to move more weight.

You are correct though about the LS1. If I could add 4 V heads and cams to the Ford from the 4V mustang, like the Chevy can add LS1 parts from its performance vehicles then certainly things might be much different. But if anyone doubts the capability of the Ford small modular motors, check the Lightning sites out and see the results of some light modding and some heavy modding.

So everyone doesn't get upset with me, I do know what I'm talking about. I own and race a 96 Cougar XR7, 3900 lb car with a modular 4.6L, automatic that on motor alone runs near the 12 second zone, purely stock motor, no head or cam work just utilizing off the car Mustang 2V heads and cams. It has gone high 11's on that same STOCK set-up and Nitrous. With that combination the car dynoed at the rear wheels last August 257 HP and 316 Lbs of TQ at the rear wheels on the motor, and 350 HP and 503 at the wheels with the bottle. Not Crank, through the drvetrain at the wheels.

I've been racing that car since 1996 when I bought it new. That car in (Factory stock configuration) set the MN12 Factory Stock record a year ago and ran a 13.89, 13.91, 13.94, 13.97, 13.98 at 97 MPH in the quarter with nothing more than bolt ons. The only factory stock one to ever run in the 13's on the original stuff. 3900 lbs and bolt ons with an automatic, nothing in the engine had ever been apart. 280 cubic inches! My point is they can make good power with just good bolt-ons and tuning. The potential of the 3V 5.4 has yet to be even touched. Only time will tell what the capability of these powerplants will be.

The problem with most comparisons is that they seldom compare apples to apples. That has been a problem with me for a long time in most comparison tests. If you are going to test a truck vs truck, then test a stock 5.4 against a stock 5.3 or 5.6, same configuration (SC, short bed, etc,etc), same gears ratio's, same automatic or stick, and same weight. Thats real world controlled testing. Then you get real actual results.

We all know that there are differences between them so we may have to make concessions there as far as power/weight ratios etc but at least its a fair comparison.

Again I'm just replying to the prior post and not trying to cause a stir but just my persepctive on things as I see it. Bottom line is though, the man has a point. If it weren't for racing, nothing in this world would get better, thats how we learn what works and what doesn't.

BTW, If you have a 5.3, 4x4 SC, shortbed, with 3.55's and an automatic thats stock except for a tune, I'd like to meet up with you somehere and see how yours and Mine stack up on the track. I ran that HEMI with bolt-ons, I'd give you a try too!!

So from me and "Big Red" Keep running them!