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Old 10-23-2007, 03:00 AM
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Egr Cat Computer?

HI
I GIVE UP
go was 0-60mph 6-20 sec. now 0-60mph 4 min if lucky.
This happened in 1wk, Ford said "it was worn out"
FORD IN BRENHAM TEX SAID THEY WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT MY
F150 302 1995.

You can look at the entries for "wrong100" for a little history.
Yes both air sensors + o2 + 1500 $ for a valve cover gaskit.
last round.

I have done a search for "ERG" and for "CAT" (on your web)
and have no found no (usefull) related entries.

The only error code is 33 static and 33 in memory.
(cannot tell where the egr is)

Should this give me mpg of 50% of what I had, at 65mph?

Should this be I cannot get to 65mph (It takes a 2 mile to ger there)?

How can I get help?
I do want to report this to FORD.
How can I do this?

wrong100
 
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Old 10-23-2007, 10:49 AM
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Sounds like a plugged cat. Are there any symtoms other then lack of power? No knocking or other obvious mechanical problems? If not, I would take it to a good muffler shop and have them check it out. They will be able to tell you in a couple of seconds if the ctas are plugged up. Things do wear out and this is a 1995. Did you really pay $1500 for a valve cover gasket replacement? Man that's just wrong considering the Fel-Pro gaskets are less then $20. I have never taken my truck in for any maintenance. I do everything myself and when I hear horror stories of folks having service bills like this for simple tasks it just make me wonder how that mechanic/shop can sleep at night. Its just not right. I would certainly look in to serviceing your own. At least you'll know its done right and you won't cheat on anyhthing either.
 
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Old 10-23-2007, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by wrong100
The only error code is 33 static and 33 in memory.
You're reading the codes wrong. A '95 uses 3-digit codes, which means the code is 111 (everything OK). Read this thread.

How long since you had a good thorough tune-up? How old are the plugs/wires/cap/rotor/TFI/coil? What's the fuel pressure & how old is the filter? How old are the air/breather filters & PCV valve?
 

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Old 10-25-2007, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PDR60
Sounds like a plugged cat. Are there any symtoms other then lack of power? No knocking or other obvious mechanical problems? If not, I would take it to a good muffler shop and have them check it out. They will be able to tell you in a couple of seconds if the ctas are plugged up. Things do wear out and this is a 1995. Did you really pay $1500 for a valve cover gasket replacement? Man that's just wrong considering the Fel-Pro gaskets are less then $20. I have never taken my truck in for any maintenance. I do everything myself and when I hear horror stories of folks having service bills like this for simple tasks it just make me wonder how that mechanic/shop can sleep at night. Its just not right. I would certainly look in to serviceing your own. At least you'll know its done right and you won't cheat on anyhthing either.
I think you are correct, PDR60.
At 120 a day, round numbers in another week, 369k or whatwver.

once the computer is not in cold start. I have problems.
I did notice (maybee a leaky exhast , cold start),
This would say when the engine gets to operating temp.
the leak is closed and therefore, all of the exhast
must go to the cat, whitch is blocked and causes the problem.

For steve83 I got 3 3 space 1 space 3 3, REPEATED. I will review
your ref ONE MORE TIME. Check everything once a year 30k+ checkup.
Any added info welcome.
To all thanks for the help
 
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wrong100
I got 3 3 space 1 space 3 3, REPEATED.
That's 1-1-1, 1-1-1, pause, separator flash, pause, 1-1-1, 1-1-1. There is no flash between codes within a group, and each code is flashed out twice before going to the 2nd group. So that pattern reads "KOEO 111, CM 111".
 
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If the vehicle runs good in 'cold start' - the cat may not be off the hook, but not as likely. One way I quick-check the cat is to feel the exhaust - it there is a slight pulsing corresponding with cylinder firing - probably not so bad. If there is only a constant flow of exhaust - cat pluggage is an issue. Also, if the engine runs fine, firing nicely, but can't get the RPMs up over 1500-2000 - also suspect a cat issue.

I think '95 was a transition year between 2-digit codes and 3-digit codes. At any rate, Steve83 is correct that your vehicle should have 3-digit fault codes.

However, it seems awful coincidental that the 2-digit fault code format you're translating relates very closely to the 'cold start' issue.

As a WAG - check your EGR valve for operation - does the valve pull open when vacuum is applied? Are there any cracks or leaks in the EGR line from the exhaust that would allow fresh air to be sucked in causing a lean condition?

As far as filing a complaint - and for $1500 (geez, this equates to 20 hours labor at $75/hour) I would urge you to pursue it - try to locate the Ford regional manager. 'Worn-out' is a load of crap. If the vehicle has been maintained properly, it's just a matter of finding the faulty parts and changing them. A truly 'worn-out' engine won't go from acceptable to unacceptable in the course of only a few weeks.
 
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Old 11-01-2007, 05:11 AM
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Steve83

Thank you, I can only report my three tries.
I think you are correct.

When I went to your website ,I did a little digging
and found that you sold cars through varouis dealers.

Are these dealers that you have approved
and will back, or just adds?

WDE3477

Not "as was" good in cold start. But 10 tines bettert than hot.
All the problems dating from about 3 to 5 years ago, this includes,
temp, power, heat.

Relative? 1993 302 Mustang (wife, someone doing the work).
Very simular problems, (if I think of the problem as heat)

WDE
Ford can only set prices for nothing.

Thanks
any help

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Old 11-05-2007, 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by wrong100
...you sold cars through varouis dealers.

Are these dealers that you have approved and will back, or just adds?
IDK what you mean. I've never sold cars for (or at) any dealer. I'm a technician, and I've worked at a few dealerships, but all the vehicles I've sold have been for friends & family. I have a few pics of vehicles for sale at dealerships, but I'm not selling them; nor am I affiliated with any dealer.
 
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Old 11-10-2007, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve83
IDK what you mean. I've never sold cars for (or at) any dealer. I'm a technician, and I've worked at a few dealerships, but all the vehicles I've sold have been for friends & family. I have a few pics of vehicles for sale at dealerships, but I'm not selling them; nor am I affiliated with any dealer.


Thanks Steve83

I thought I had went through your links and found this website,
I must be wrong.

wde3477
that was my thoughts.

PDE60
This was also a high probality.
Went to the doctor the doctor said I was dead.
Had both cats replaced. still dead.

Ford is so great, the intake High riser bracker was not connected,
the last go is they connected the high riser but did not replace
the bell inspection port. For a sudden (two wks) loss of power
why would either of these be tampered with??

OK lets start from there.
after replacing cats same problem. (MONDAY)
tuesday same, wednesday, 50 deg instead of 70deg.
Ran better untill I came home, (same no power, (better than 70 deg)).
I Starting hearing what sounded like a transmission whine,
as long as the speed / load was constant. I also heard(I think)
what was called "piston slap"
"overheated and bolts got loose" temporary condition, maby.
When I turned the heater on full and the temp was not
supper hot, ??.
Still no check eng.
If I would guess, either the water pump or the thermostat, would
be the problem, but I do not know about the new systems (1970 +).
As for as I have seen, the present control systems mask problems.
I am 64 years old and It takes me 4 to 10 times longer to do this
type of work. Also running out of money.
I must use the truck every week, for getting hay .
I need 500 mpg to go to work. "120 miles a day"

Need to get a car "under 6k" any help.

wrong100
 

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