Bedliner & Tonneau for new F150 Screw

[cwilley]

Hello, I am a new F150 owner and just stumbled on to this site (thanks to Google). It has been very helpful. I could use some advice. I have a new 05 F150 Screw Lariat and would like to install a spray on bedliner as well as a tonneau cover. Bedliner: From what I've read online in various places, the Line-X is a pretty good spray on bedliner. What do you think? My truck is not used commercially and the bed will not be getting heavy usage, so it the bedliner does not necessarily need to be industrial strength. I want it to look great, be very durable, and not fade. Tonneau: I'm looking for a solid tonneau cover that is one piece and hinged. I would like the color to match the paint (Arizona Beige Metallic) and I would like to be able to lock it and occasionally remove it as necessary. My priorities are: quality, looks, and then price is a distant third. Any recommendations? Thank you, and happy new year! Chris Willey

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[TruckGasm]

I'm a LINE-X dealer so you probably will think my opinion is biased. But, would you consider a color matched bedliner? Most LINE-X dealers use Dupont Nason paint when spraying a color match. Nason is an automotive paint and will not fade. Most other bedliner brands just add pigment to the liner and it will fade. Also, a liner with Nason will better match the truck's metallic paint properties. Ford Arizona Beige is by far the most popular color match for us.

Here's a scanned pic, so it's not super clear:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ArizBeige1.jpg

[cwilley]

Reply to TruckGasm:

Thanks for the info. I had no idea that you could match the color of the bedliner to the color of the vehicle. I would absolutely be interested in that (I would love to see input from others who have done this). When you have it painted to match, is the paint susceptible to chipping, flaking, or scratching?

Chris

[Line-XSanDiego]

Cwilley,


For the most part color matching is great it has its pro’s and con’s like anything else you may do to your vehicle. I personally have stopped spraying color like most of the Line-X Dealers in San Diego. I would have to advise if anyone is spraying (Nason®) that they are using a full spray both with proper EPA containment filters. Most Line-X shops and Rhino Linings Inc. do not have proper spray booths to spray automotive paints. Another “Con” to spraying Nason® over polyurethane is that Nason® becomes a “top-coat” and can be worn through or down over time, witch will expose the non UV protected liner underneath. Line-X San Diego has found that color matched liners are great for interiors of Vans and SUV’s, but not so great for someone who wants to use there truck bed at all.

THIS IS SOME IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT NASON®:
Nason®
What is it?
Paint products that deliver quality jobs in a hurry, at a price superior to any cost-competitive brand. Count on Nason® for value-priced undercoats and clears, plus a verstile array of color mixing options and factory-packaged colors.

WARNING!!!!!! Nason® is sensitive to static discharge and anyone applying must inform in writing that and with a tag on the bed itself about the hazards due to static discharge. This warning lable is required by the Department Of Transportation (DOT) This means it has the same static discharge capability of a drop in liner!! This is one of the selling points for any Spray-On Bedliner Application.

This is just some of the information on DuPont Nason®; there are not only a lot of health risks of spraying it but also for the person using the product. I do not mean to discourage anyone person from color matching people just need to be informed of the information that they should be provided by the applicator. Unfortunately most applicators of Nason® are unaware of the liability issues that they are incurring when applying Nason®.
INGREDIENTS CAS # VAPOR
PRESSURE
EXPOSURE
LIMITS
POLY(OXY-1,2-ETHANEDIYL),.ALPHA.-[3-[3-(2H-BENZOTRIAZOL-2-YL)-5-(1,1-
DIMETHYL-ETHYL)-4-HYDROXY PHENYL
104810-48-2 None A None
O None
POLYESTER RESIN-A
Not Avail None A None
O None
POLYESTER RESIN-B
65086-73-9 None A None
O None
POLYESTER RESIN-C
68604-67-1 None A None
O None
POLYOL RESIN
Not Avail None A None
O None
PROPYLENE GLYCOL MONOMETHYL ETHER ACETATE
108-65-6 3.7 D 10.0ppm
8 & 12 hour TWA
A None
O None
SUBSTITUTED BENZOTRIAZOLE-B
127519-17-9 9.0 S 4.0mg/m3
A None
O None
TOLUENE
108-88-3 22.0 O 300.0ppm
CEIL
O 500.0ppm
10 min TWA
O 200.0ppm
D 50.0ppm
8 & 12 hour TWA
A 50.0ppm
Skin
VM&P NAPHTHA
8032-32-4 17.9@68.0°F D 100.0ppm
A 300.0ppm
O None
XYLENE
1330-20-7 9.0@25.0°C A 150.0ppm
15 min STEL
D 150.0ppm
15 min STEL
A 100.0ppm
O 100.0ppm
D 100.0ppm
8 & 12 hour TWA
1,2,4-TRIMETHYL BENZENE
95-63-6 7.0@44.4°C A 25.0ppm
O 25.0ppm
2,2,4-TRIMETHYLPENTANE
540-84-1 None A 300.0ppm
O 500.0ppm
*A=ACGIH, O=OSHA, D=DuPont, S=Suppliers. Limits are 8 hour TWA unless
otherwise specified. Vapor pressure @25°C unless otherwise noted.
SECTION 3 - Hazards Information
Potential Health Effects:
Inhalation:
May cause nose and throat irritation. May cause nervous system
depression characterized by the following progressive steps:
headache, dizziness, nausea, staggering gait, confusion,
unconsciousness. Reports have associated repeated and prolonged
overexposure to solvents with permanent brain and nervous system
damage.
Ingestion:
May result in gastrointestinal distress.
Skin or eye contact:
May cause irritation or burning of the eyes. Repeated or prolonged
liquid contact may cause skin irritation with discomfort and
dermatitis.
Other Potential Health Effects in addition to those listed above:
ACETONE
The following medical conditions may be aggravated by exposure:
lung disease, eye disorders, skin disorders. Overexposure may
cause damage to any of the following organs/systems: blood, central
nervous system, eyes, kidneys, liver, respiratory system, skin.
ACRYLIC POLYMER-A
Increased susceptibility to the effects of this material may be
observed in people with preexisting disease of any of the following:
skin.
AROMATIC HYDROCARBON
The following medical conditions may be aggravated by exposure:
skin disorders. Laboratory studies with rats have shown that
petroleum distillates can cause kidney damage and kidney or liver
tumors. These effects were not seen in similar studies with guinea
pigs, dogs, or monkeys. Several studies evaluating petroleum
workers have not shown a significant increase of kidney damage or
an increase in kidney or liver tumors.
BENZENE,1-CHLORO-4 (TRIFLUOROMETHYL)
Increased susceptibility to the effects of this material may be
observed in people with preexisting disease of any of the following:
skin. Prolonged or repeated exposure may cause damage to any of
the following organs/systems: kidneys, liver, thyroid. Potential skin
sensitizer that may cause allergic reactions and contact dermatitis
resulting in severe irritation, dryness, and cracking of the skin.
Ingestion may cause any of the following: gastrointestinal irritation.
Eye contact may cause any of the following: permanent eye injury.
Inhalation may cause any of the following: stupor (central
nervous system depression), respiratory tract irritation.
BIS(1,2,2,6,6-PENTAMETHYL-4-PIPERDINYL) SEBACATE
Repeated exposure may cause allergic skin rash, itching, swelling.
BUTYL ACETATE
May cause abnormal liver function. The following medical conditions
may be aggravated by exposure: respiratory system. Tests for
embryotoxic activity in animals has been inconclusive. Rats exposed
to very high airborne levels have exhibited high frequency hearing
deficits. The significance of this to man is unknown. Has been toxic
to the fetus in laboratory animals at doses that are toxic to the
mother.



If you would like more information on Dupont Nason Feel free to contact me:

Bryan Simonson
Bryan@Line-XSanDiego

[1Bad97F150]

i just posted a thread on having 2 bedliners... a liquid, and a plastic... covers both sides of the spectrum but it seems as though my response to that idea, was that i was doing it for the wrong reasons... that the whole "rusted bed bottom" is a bunch of bullcrap, and that it will never happen unless the bed is severely damaged, and has chunks of bare metal showing... which is what i had thought myself, but was still wondering if anything could be affected by it... the guy that replied to me pretty much said that the plastic bedliners are as good for rust prevention as the roll/spray on liners... and in my opinion, the plastic ones look better, and unless you are trying to haul something fragile (which should be tied down.... because even spray on liners arent totally slip proof) the plastic bedliners are better finctioning... but we all have our preferences and if you ask me? id rather pay 150 bucks to replace my worn out plastic bedliner, and do it in 20 minutes by myself without scraping up the nice paint on my bed, i would suggest the plastic liners.... the only advantage i have heard for the spray on is no rust on scraped up beds.... just what ive heard though

[UnConundrum]

Another “Con” to spraying Nason® over polyurethane is that Nason® becomes a “top-coat” and can be worn through or down over time, witch will expose the non UV protected liner underneath. Line-X San Diego has found that color matched liners are great for interiors of Vans and SUV’s, but not so great for someone who wants to use there truck bed at all.

Bryan, wouldn't the nation wide warranty take care of issues with the paint wearing off?

[KSN177]

I know I am late responding to this but I have been very happy with my black Line X on my last 2 trucks. I had a Snug Lid on my 96 SuperCab and loved the way it cleaned up the looks of the truck. I think my color was Sand Pebble Beige and it looked very clean. If you are not hauling much you may want to get a bed mat for hauling and a bed rug carpet kit for the rest of the time.

[TruckGasm]

All that info is from the MSDS and it's nothing new or different, it's the same for any paints. The static electricity info (and the rest of the MSDS) is for when it's in a liguid state, not when it's dry. Actually, OSHA laws are of more concern than the EPA. The LINE-X dealer in Lewisville, Tx has met with OSHA. For the volume of spraying we are doing, we do not need a paint booth. And, the type of ventilation system and our fresh air respirator that we all use around here conforms to OSHA's requirements. The health risks associated with paint are not as bad as the health risks associated with the handling of isocyanate.

The LINE-X dealer who has been around the longest and who was the first franchisee in the US is Paul Reber in OK City. He has been using this (Nason) technique for over 10 years. Nason is a urethane based paint and the bedliner is also urethane based. If the liner is sprayed with Nason soon after the bedliner is sprayed in (which is before the chemicals totally cure) the result is a very durable color match. Now, if you paint it after 24 hours, you will not achieve the same results. San Diego, if you have any questions about it, call Paul, he's a super nice guy and would be glad to talk to you about it. I have NEVER had a color matched liner returned with a problem of any kind.

To be fair, can the topcoat be worn down? Yes, it can. We do not recommend color matches for work trucks. But, for the occasional use by the average consumer, it's just fine.

[heavymedic]

I thought and did research on the web for several months deciding what I wanted for my 04 F-150 and finally decided to go with bedrug $285 delivered from cargogear.com and the undercover tonneau cover that can be removed in less than 2 minutes by 2 people. very satisfied with the looks on my black truck, the top is paintable but has a textured finish. topper around $600.